Topic: Chicago schools ban home lunches

I used to frequently take lunches to school.

Carrot sticks, celery, olives, or other vegetable with a sandwich, and something else like an applesauce, crackers, leftovers, or something.

My mom cared to make sure our lunches were made to help us grow and be healthy.

Maybe once every two weeks we could find a treat in our lunch.

I was a well toned 190 (army later beefed that up to 200) pound teen at 10th grade.

Sack and box lunches from home is a way to feed your children according to your dietary needs.


So it alarms me that the SEIU (Service Employees International Union) pushed for and got a law made for school provided lunches only. This move, designed to boost Union Employee numbers, is dispicable.

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Insane. Ridiculous.

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they should smuggle in homemade cake, pie and lasagna in little plastic bags for sale in the hallways

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Two notes:

1: On the one hand, this is an utterly devastating law on Chicago children's health.  Remember, the national school lunch program still thinks pizza is a vegetable.  Essentially, then, the program has monopolized power over determining what children eat.  I don't trust that the school lunch program actually promotes health among children, so giving that a monopoly over child eating habits doesn't help.

2: On the other hand, though... there are definitely some instances where the food children bring to school is dangerous.  My favorite example is the elementary school classic, a peanut butter sandwich.  Although it's probably a good meal for me, there are people who are deathly allergic to nuts, who could literally be killed just by being near  (I personally know at least 4 people with this severity of a nut allergy, none of whom are related to one another).  There are other examples of these types of allergies, which have both lethal consequences and are sensitive enough to where a reaction can occur simply by inhaling particles from the  substance.  Either way, bringing a lunch to school creates a confined, yet uncontrolled, environment at schools, creating circumstances where an allergic reaction, as described above, may be more likely.

Not that #2 is necessarily a good reason in itself to throw out home lunches... just thought it was worth consideration here.

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If #2 was part of the reasoning behind the law Zarf, I would be able to consider this at least potentially reasonable.  Some of the people I work with live within an hour of Chicago, and they came in this morning freaking out about what all this could entail.  They're worried that the law could gradually creep over into northern Indiana where a high % of the people are low income steel workers that are very proud and refuse to take the state's free lunch program, but can't afford school lunches themselves so make there kids lunch every day.  Apparently there's a group of parents that rotate and make 1 lunch for 14-20 kids every week to try to allow to buy bulk goods to save money for each other.

While this isn't necessarily relevant either, taking control out of the hands of the parents is just silly, unless of course they actually do go through and revamp the "revamped" school lunch system and come up with a practical way to have healthy lunches at a reasonable cost.  Declaring pizza a vegetable isn't the right direction to fixing the childhood obesity problem, which imo is more important than whether or not a few more union workers get work because parent's can't make their children lunches anymore.

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6 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 30-Dec-2011 17:39:32)

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"That isn't the reason behind the law" is never a good reason to reject the law.  The Civil War was entered over the right to secede, although most people wouldn't dispute whether it was good, largely because it was essential to freeing slaves, a largely unintended consequence of the war, especially since at least 3 Union states were still holding slaves during the early war.  Evaluate the bill on its merits, not on what the people behind the bill wanted (now, if the people behind the bill crafted the bill in a way to change the bill's merits, there's reason to consider the people, but that isn't yet shown with this bill).

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Apparently, as of 3 weeks ago, they had pbj sandwiches on the lunch menus

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(this has turned into a big argument in the office, focusing on whether home-schooling or public schools are better, this happens approx once a month as one guy is very outspoken over how great homeschooling your children is)

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> The_Dude wrote:

> Apparently, as of 3 weeks ago, they had pbj sandwiches on the lunch menus


*throws his own argument out the window*

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"there are people who are deathly allergic to nuts, who could literally be killed just by being near"

You can add me to that list...When I was little, a friend ate a peanut butter sandwich, an hour later touched me, and I needed to go to hospital (and I don't suffer from anaphalaxis so the epi-pens do nothing). Thankfully nowadays my allergy is alot less severe but is very painful to eat peanuts (and the Chinese like to conceal them...already fallen for it once, and almost again the other night...most restaurants/friends now know I am allergic so I get by nicely, but can never be too careful).

And to bring this back to the argument at hand, my teacher in Grade 1 was informed that I was dangerously allergic to Peanuts, yet she still gave me cake that she knew contained peanuts. So I dunno...could be good, could be bad...but PBJ sandwiches on the lunch menu could be bad, considering the surfaces used to make them would also be used to make other options (yes, that is a problem).

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I live near Chicago.  The cause of the rule was two things:
1.  The southside especially they were finding too many children having extremely unhealthy lunches of things filled with Soda, Cakes, Cookies, etc because much of the time it was the kid making his own lunch where parents play little role in their lives.  Primarily black neighborhoods.

2.  You had areas of severe poverty where kids were starving throughout the day but Parents too proud or not caring enough to sign their children up for the free lunch programs or anything to help their child out.

By requiring all children to eat lunches through the school they can monitor these situations a little better to promote healthier children.




Also you should really read into all the facts, Flint. It is not Chicago SCHOOLS that banned home lunches, it is ONE Chicago School.  One in one of the poorest neighborhoods of chicago.

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"1: On the one hand, this is an utterly devastating law on Chicago children's health.  Remember, the national school lunch program still thinks pizza is a vegetable"

Is not 100% sure this is correct?
i am 100% sure they still consider ketchup as a veggy.

Also many parents around the usa are to proud to get there child on the free lunch program. Many will not go to food banks or any other resource out there to help, which is why around here.. There is local agencies that place food on the doorstep of known needy family's to proud to take a hand-out. Also why food pantries are hidden in basements of churches or on hardly ever/less traveled roads around here.

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In addition...


School lunch's where modified not that long ago. They have to have a set number of calories with a minimal or some other stuff.. " i really don't remember main details of the documentary i watched on this, im sure your all scared i'm even posting in politics" Which ever it was to raise or lower it affected the other side of things for sugar salt trans-fat whatnot intake... The cook's where finding it impossible to do everything on the area allowed  SO they where giving fatty bad for you food out just to hit this demand. If this school can monitor properly and NOT have to go by the exact guidelines this will work. But now they will have to cater to EVERY allergy in the books at the school.. If a kid is allergic to nuts for example they can't sure anything with nuts in it. Also this is not able to work. My nephew for example is allergic to tomato. SO thats ketchup sauces pizza you know.. Anything they really have at a school lunch. Unless there going to segregate the kids with allergic reactions and have this like 1950's south with the blacks.. It will never work. Parents can't trust a public school to keep there kids safe will be forced to home school just so they know they will not get ill in class at lunch time.

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> ~Wornstrum~ wrote:

> "there are people who are deathly allergic to nuts, who could literally be killed just by being near"

You can add me to that list...When I was little, a friend ate a peanut butter sandwich, an hour later touched me, and I needed to go to hospital (and I don't suffer from anaphalaxis so the epi-pens do nothing). Thankfully nowadays my allergy is alot less severe but is very painful to eat peanuts (and the Chinese like to conceal them...already fallen for it once, and almost again the other night...most restaurants/friends now know I am allergic so I get by nicely, but can never be too careful).


I shouldnt have said anything. Not 1 week later, and I land in hospital after accidently consuming peanuts...it was not pleasant!

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that sux that you are that sensitive

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Women like sensitive guys though...

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Yeah, my friends told me today that they thought I was going to die, but people don't die in hospitals....

"Women like sensitive guys though..."

I lol'd...

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Thank you, thank you... I also do stand up on Fridays and Saturdays at the local bar!

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