Think of it from a selfish and prideful perspective.

I get married. It comes up in conversation with others that I'm married. They ask me if my spouse is a man or a woman. I'm insulted and so is she.

Or

No gay marriage. Pick another name to avoid confusion. Lets all say marriage is reserved between a man and a woman because they're relationship is capable of a form of intercourse that can lead to babies. More frankly: their parts fit together. I'm no longer being insulted by valid questions.

there have been people who thought they were God and people who thought they could fly and people who thought they could bend steel bars with their mind and people who thought they were babies and peopel who thought they were in two places at once

but there has never been a mentally ill person who was deluded about being gay

if you think you're gay, you're right 100% of the time.

Apparently when they find that gay gene, they'll cure insanity

> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> there have been people who thought they were God and people who thought they could fly and people who thought they could bend steel bars with their mind and people who thought they were babies and peopel who thought they were in two places at once

but there has never been a mentally ill person who was deluded about being gay

if you think you're gay, you're right 100% of the time.

Apparently when they find that gay gene, they'll cure insanity

Um... the people who think they could fly, were in two places at once, etc., are questioning realities that can be disproven by simple observation (go ahead and fly).

However, sexual orientation is simply an issue of personal preference.  Saying that someone is mentally ill for having a different sexual preference is like saying someone is mentally ill for not liking the same flavor of ice cream as you (but to be fair, chocolate, vanilla, and their derivatives are the only flavors any sane person should ever need). 

right, I'm not interested in "fixing" my opinion because you have a desperate problem with my lack of respect.

If you didnt' give a damn the way I don't, you'd be cool.

"However, sexual orientation is simply an issue of personal preference.  Saying that someone is mentally ill for having a different sexual preference is like saying someone is mentally ill for not liking the same flavor of ice cream as you " 

No its more subtle.  It's as if no one could ever mistake a liking for butterscotch-- or even more subtly, if Authority insisted no one could ever mistake liking butterscotch.   The only people who claim to like butterscotch are sincere and sane and healthy.  Somebody might imagine or pretend to like vanilla, or pistachio, but not butterscotch.  Only a bigot would ask why.

You might be criminally insane because of your sexuality, or be confused about not  being gay, but nobody is ever confused about being gay.  Nobody ever thought they were gay, but got fed up with it and found true happiness being straight.   No, you can't explore why.  That suggests being gay is not perfectly normal and healthy.

really? you've made contact with gays and have even befriended some? and they even allowed you into their habitat? dude, dpenguins, we aren't talking about an isolated tribe that time has passed by, fags are not some rare thing most of us never see. I have friends that are gay, i have co-workers that are gay, and theres a gay bar downtown that is famous for its food that i've been to many times. heck, in college, the Frat i was in had open showers and i've showered when there was an openly gay guy showering too.

> avogadro wrote:

> > [TI] ARFeh zee Frenchie wrote:

> > Petrolstone wrote:

> Think of it from a selfish and prideful perspective.

I get married. It comes up in conversation with others that I'm married. They ask me if my spouse is a man or a woman. I'm insulted and so is she. <

And there we have the crux of the matter: people still think being gay is "wrong".

i don't think you have to think being gay is wrong to be insulted by that. If you ask a woman if she is pregnant, does the woman have to think pregnancy is wrong to be insulted?

- No, but if she's merely overweight she will be.

Little Paul im not sure that talking about "analogy" in this thread is politcaly correct...

Homosexuality is typically selected against by evolution. Men and women are attracted to one another because it was selected by evolution, and homosexuality seems to manifest as a result of the interaction of some advantageous genes. Basically, it is not normal and it is present in a small percentage of the population for a reason. But to be fair, a lot of crazy, abnormal things happen among individuals of a species that are not ordinarily practiced by the species as a whole, due to unique experiences and/or genes.

Although in the case of homosexuality, it is not always the case for every species. For some species, sexuality has evolved as a means to form social bonds and diffuse tension, as is the case with the bonobo. And in bonobos, a lot of sexual contact is homosexual. So effectively, most bonobos can be said to be bisexual. Of course, this is not how human sexuality evolved. We don't typically copulate with one another to form social bonds and diffuse tension as a tribal group, except maybe with our mate(s).

That said, there is no reason to deny homosexuals full participation in society. They can be just as productive as heterosexuals. However, I think it is silly to give them participation in the meaningless ritual of marriage. As a matter of fact, I think the state should not even recognize marriage.

Families have been the most fundamental building block of society for thousands of years. Given this, government supporting this institution makes sense and is good for society. Gay couples do not produce families. This chief reason for government encouragement and rewarding marriage does not apply to gay couples.

While children may be offered a better life if homosexuals may adopt (as opposed to institutionalized care), children are primarily socialized by their parents, and men and women are different physically, chemically, physiologically, and psychologically. Homosexual parents are just not as ideal as heterosexual parents. What a shocker. If this a reason for anything, it's a reason to fix our adoption system that has people going to overseas to adopt children in need.

Visitation rights and all that, I think homosexuals should [of course] have. To each his own, live your life, and all of that. I just don't support institutionalized support for gay couples as if they're the same as heterosexual couples. They're not.

> [TI] Lateralis wrote:

> @Godwin's Law

"However, sexual orientation is simply an issue of personal preference."

Sorry, but that's an incorrect.  I am gay, but I didn't wake up one day and think "Gee, this gay thing sounds like a lot of fun.  I'll go find myself a man!"  I knew from a very young age (8 or so) that I wasn't "wired" the same way as the other kids/boys at school.  Over time it became apparent what this was.  But to say that it is a "preference", as if to say that I one day made this conscious decision is frankly wrong. 

Uh oh... I see what Chris/Avo are going to do with this!  Writing down my guess on a sheet of paper, just to see if I'm right. 

they weren't gay, they were bisexual by todays standards

in fact what we do is uniquely preverted.

sex is culture