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Re: English Language discussion of Belgian Elections

So you'd -again- rather throw away any of our chances on reform, just to deny the other side a piece of what they want? That leads absolutely nowhere except to waving a flag while listening to a pretty speech under the ijzertoren and nothing ever changes. Of course the PS wants as much as possible from us. That's what gives us the leverage the countermand, and the one pushing our lever now is a fat guy who for once doesn't care about being prime minister.

Also; I checked your statements, and you're wrong. Pensions for 2010 are 18 billion, and unemployment + brugpensioen(!) is 10 billion. And all that is entirely beside the point. Which is:  There will never ever be a given time where the PS will say: "Oh, we apologise for exploiting you about 2 centuries, and here's a 100 gazillion to cover it." Flanders needs to get rid of Belgium, and holding this process back because of some idea of fair burden of costs and proportional settling of accounts is just foolish. The arena is politics, not a court. The skills needed are deal-brokering and vision, not accountancy.

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No personal insult meant but you never answer this point: The ps won't have to agree to a transfer. The transfer would happen automatically. And no flamisch politician could reform it. It would be electoral suicide.

"Also; I checked your statements, and you're wrong."
I don't understand. You say I am wrong then... post figures proving my point?? And pensions will only go up...

"So you'd -again- rather throw away any of our chances on reform, just to deny the other side a piece of what they want?"
No. I would just deny the other side a very particular piece to become regional. Its only fair. I said nothing of other matters. Another thing you seam to forget is that making it an authority for the region isn't the only way to reform.

"Of course the PS wants as much as possible from us. That's what gives us the leverage the countermand, and the one pushing our lever now is a fat guy who for once doesn't care about being prime minister."
He simply can't become it. But yes its good thing. But not what the PS wants in return. I can't say it enough. Its going to ruin Belgium. While the spa is rather realistic and is more specific in what social measures they can and can't do, the PS is the exact opposite of that. They think the economic crisis isn't really a crisis and everything would be OK as long as we keep spending. Apart from that the party is still largely corrupt as any party with their power would be.

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Re: English Language discussion of Belgian Elections

ALL those who want govts to print money and spend spend spend are elitist ogliarchs.  They don't care that 10% of the workers are now dependent on government handouts instead of wages.  What matters is the millionaires who went do the right schools and know the right people are not forced to start over. Without the millionaires we would be forced to start with banks run by the middle class, who clearly are not worthy.  Only a dangerous fanatic really believes that the top 1% are repleaceable.  Fortunately the top 1% control the Mint and can invent all the money they need.  They can even collude across national lines so no mere national election can ever again threaten their power.  From now on, the State and the Money will serve the Elite.  If the masses can afford to eat and marry and educate themselves, gravy. 


If not, too bad.


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