As someone who had a friend die in this tragedy how dare you try to use it as some sort of dick measuring contest you foul minded [person on Imperial Conflict].

Secondly, what me and most of those affected by feel happy with is a)this is the first time in 13 years something like this has happened and the government is already working to tighten up gun controls.

Get bent. That is all.

> Khaz Modan wrote:

> As someone who had a friend die in this tragedy how dare you try to use it as some sort of dick measuring contest you foul minded [person on Imperial Conflict].

Secondly, what me and most of those affected by feel happy with is a)this is the first time in 13 years something like this has happened and the government is already working to tighten up gun controls.

Get bent. That is all.

You know that is such bullshit.

It's the alientation of death, violence, and guns that MAKES PEOPLE VICTIMS.

Take the VT Shootings few years back -- Some skinny little asian bitch comes in and starts shooting --- I don't remember the number killed, but i do remember them saying roughly 126 shots were fired.

9 MM have clips that range from 10-20 rounds (20 round clips are rare high caps), the average clip being 15 rounds, according to what i remember he had 2 9MMs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x19mm_Parabellum)

So --- 30 rounds before a clip exchange would be required, average reload for someone who is NOT a trained gunfighter is 3 seconds, double that for the 2nd gun - 6 seconds of downtime. ** AND THAT IS ASSUMING HE HAS PRELOADED MAGS -- IF NOT IT WOULD TAKE HIM NEARLLY 5 MINUTES TO REFILL HIS CLIPS, i am assuming it's the former, and not the latter, as seriously.. who would not fill their mags prior to a killing spree -- Loading clips is a pain in the ass, [really springy] springs - lol - anyways that would mean this guy was toting around 4-8 clips, which i didn't hear that he was wearing a duty belt with several mag pouchs, so he more then likely had these clips in his backpack, meaning MORE time to get the clips out and reload.

Anyone who has been in combat knows 6 seconds is a life time -- In those 6 seconds, multiplied by roughly 4 as to total number of shots fired, means half a minute passed when he was UNABLE TO FIRE HIS WEAPON!

Did ANY of the student, try to disarm him? No.
Did any of the students, try to combat him? No

--- Why? They were ignorant of what they were dealing with, i don't care if they didn't have a weapon, i've been trained under a Marine notion in our MCMAP program of "Weapon of opportunity"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Martial_Arts_Program), meaning, anything can be a weapon, i could kill him with my bare hands -- But since i'm clearly in school lets see.. i could simply take a pen and shove it into his eye, or take a chair and bash him over the head, stopping him almost immediate.

BUT NOONE DOES---- WHAT DO PEOPLE DO WHEN SHOTS ARE FIRED AT THEM?

1 of 2 things --- And -no- it's not flight or fight, it's flight or become a non-responder.

Both of which will get you killed - Why do people run? They don't know what to do, gunfire is so alien to them, firearms are so alien to them it's the only thing they know to do, why do people become non-responders, simply they think for some odd reason if they stand still and wait the world will correct it'self.

It's alienation of situations that creates victims, if people had proper firearm education, and exposure then guns wouldn't seem like some kinda of mythological device.

Example, you use Knifes all the time, people are used to seeing them -- If someone attacked someone in a public area with a knife, you can bet your ass a mob will [mess] that attacker up.

IF someone attacks someone with a gun in a public place, people just run --

And the sad thing is, the Knife is more dangerous, then the gun, yet - alienations, and ignorance leaves people to think that the gun is some sort of magic kill all device.

Ignorance got your friend killed, so how does your state correct it? Increasing the level of ignorance.

Don't whine to me about it, I've lost plenty of friends, learn from it, don't repeat the mistake, yet here you are doing just that.

Hell Imperial reload time is perfect time for disarm and dismantle as well.

Society is trained to think someone else will handle the problem, that someone else will know what to do.

Imperial you still think I am some commie pinko?

Or you convince I was being sarcastic?

2 mass shootings in 16 years means that guns should be freely available to all Britons.
FACT!

You now also think that all 70,000,000 Britons should be allowed to carry guns just because 2 guys in 16 years went nuts? That's a little excessive, wouldn't you agree?
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Why Guns Are Really Illegal in the UK:
National Attitude to Weapons and Fighting

Remember the subway scene in Predator 2? That's why we can't have guns here. Any honest person will tell you that. I'd shoot some [] just for trying to mug

In the U.S you can always find a 50$ pistol.  Hell, i can go half a mile and get a semiautomatic ak 47 for 500$.  Gotta love lax gun laws.

riiiight

anyhow were seeing a rise in wackos with samurai swords

so I guess that's progress?

obama pawned it

2003,  30.242 dead people with guns in USA (83 a day)

17108 suicides
11829 crimes
762 accidents

Suicides: You can still kill yourself without a gun but you have to prepare it wich let's you time to change your mind, when you just have to take your gun and kill yourself. Difficult to say how many lifes you save without guns but it's thousands.

Crimes: A study shows that in France more than 1/2 hold up is made with a false gun. Why? because gangsters know that ppl they attack won't have a gun to defend so they prefer to do it with false guns like that they risk less years of jail if they are arrested. If things turn bad they just excape running. In USA gangsters know that ppl they attack have a big chance to have a gun to defend, so they take true guns because if things turn bad they have to kill the guy before he kills them. Difficult to say how many lifes you save without guns but it's other thousands.

Accidents: PPl buy guns because they are told to by gun lobby, in order to "protect their family" and they make enter the most dangerous thing possible for kids in their house...

People like you i want to slap, and make sure you never touch a gun again, if you can't be educated enough to know the proper names of weapons,  how can i trust you to own a handgun safely?<<

screw that, i will trust the guy who refers to his custom rig as his "boomstick"

>>It's in the bill of rights that you (assuming your not a felon), have the right to bear arms --<<<

actually it makes no reference to convicts.

>>However, it doesn't say that you SHOULD bear arms, only that you have that right -- So if we go off and allow everyone who owns a gun to open carry, well what do you think the odds are that pricks, assholes, and insecure douches with a .45 1911 strapped to their hip will be using it as a show of force simply to get sociological wants fulfilled?<<

That'll work until they meet a guy with a .44 snubnose in a pancake rig over his ass.  Cause that is a faster draw and a faster action than a .45 Colt 1911 in a hip holster.

>>Additionally most people are ignorant of guns as I've stated above, in thus it creates a psychological default that most people are terrorized to even be in the presence of a gun, loaded or not -- Thus that would create public strife, and anxiety if so many open carried weapons were present --<<

Oooh la la.

>>When they are concealed, no one can see them, and if the person who is carrying tries to remove it in a display of aggressive, and not in a display of self-defense then the person in question is now criminal, and committed a class 2-3 felony (Depending on state) -- <<<

yup. when I say "open carry" I mean holstered, not that you walk down the street holding in your hand.

>>The mere presence of a gun is a 2nd stage force continuum act, you can demand compliance from people just with it's presence, and not everyone is trust worthy enough to give that sort of control/power, simply put if we have the right to bear them, it's best we do so in concealment. <<

But HE knows he has that power, so he's still an ass. And because it's hidden, everyone he meets will think, "why should I take his shit? not like he has a gun or anything."

>>As well as the fact that open carry will not stop -crime- it will only deter those less dedicated to seeing it through, those criminals who are desperate, and more committed to their trade will still commit crimes, only now they will be armed with a bigger gun then you, and shoot first, ask for the money later.<<

The real pros do that already, because if you do that, it don't matter if the victim had a gun or not. 

>> Open carry simple just creates an unnecessary escalation.<<

I think its necessary.

Khaz i know exactly how u feel. My sister lives like 10miles from the place where the first shooting took place. I was in shock when i found out. Horrible