Tell me when did a gun in USA stopped a mass murder? Second what is the murder rate with a firearm in Europe and USA? And finally do you belive that the reason for the killings, is because the population is not allow to carry weapons?

School shootings can't even put a small dent into the amount of "run of the mill" gun related deaths in the USA.

"Criminals will always get guns."

Or point being?

"There's no disputing the facts"

Facts? What facts?

Tell me when did a gun in USA stopped a mass murder? <<

VIDEOMAP     COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- "It seemed like it was me, the gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday firing a weapon.

Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.

Police on Monday identified the gunman as Matthew Murray and said he was also responsible for an attack earlier Sunday at a missionary center some 80 miles away.

The two incidents left four people dead, in addition to the gunman, and five wounded.

Police said forensic evidence showed a positive match between a handgun found at the church and shell casings found at the missionary center in Arvada, a suburb of Denver.

Officials from the Colorado Springs and Arvada police departments appeared at a joint news conference to brief reporters on what they had pieced together about Sunday's events.

The first incident took place Sunday at about 12:30 a.m. at Youth With a Mission in Arvada.

Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire.

Two staff members, Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24, died later Sunday from their injuries, Youth With a Mission co-founder Peter Warren said. Two other staff members were injured, and one was in critical condition.

Investigators tried to track the gunman through fresh snow with the help of dogs, but lost his trail in a heavily walked area, Deputy Chief Gary Creager of Arvada police said.

About 12 hours later, police say, Murray showed up at New Life Church as a service was letting out.

Police said Monday he had an assault rifle and two handguns, and may have had as many as 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

He fired on a family who were in or near their car. Two sisters, identified by police as Rachael Works, 16, and Stephanie Works, 18, were killed, and their father, David Works, 51, was also shot and is hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds.

Murray then entered the church, police say, where Assam was one of several volunteer security guards on duty.

"I saw him coming through the doors," she told reporters on Monday. "I took cover, and I waited for him to get closer, and I came out of cover and identified myself, and engaged him, and took him down. And that's pretty much it." 

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html

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"Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her OWN weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say...Murray then entered the church, police say, where Assam was one of several VOLUNTEER security guards on duty."

yeah, she volunteered as a private citizen and toted her own gun.  As in, not a cop, not stationed there by the government in any capacity.

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Illegal in my state

but whaddya gonna do, ban plumbing supplies and power tools?

Gun control laws only take guns from law abiding citizens. If a citizen has a gun and a murderer tries to break in and enter their house, usually there's one less murderer in the world. If the citizen doesn't have a gun then they're dead.

Criminals aren't retards. They'll target houses that aren't occupied by gun owners.

Soon all the gun control advocates will be murdered in that fashion because of there failure to see the benefits of being armed.

When everyone has a gun there will be fewer crimes. The only people left committing the crimes are the retarded criminals. They'll all be killed off shortly.

Btw, so why don't criminals migrate to Canada? Where only 5.4% of the population has a gun?

Ok --- Since most of you are -NOT- Law Enforcement, you really don't know -What- your talking about aside from statistics, and pre-disposed notions of the above said subject matter.

Allow me to fill you on a few key points.

1. Most criminals who commit violent crimes -- do -- not --- in the USA (Unsure about outside the USA), usually carry a firearm, several reasons for this :
--- Carrying a firearm is a felony, most states it carries a class 1, or 2 (first or second degree) -
--- Carrying a Knife is a misdemeanor in most states - Knifes are easier to conceal, and REGARDLESS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD 8 out of 10 times the Knife will beat the gun in close distance melee (Which most violent crimes inflicted upon innocent happen within 20ft, which is considered close distance.) - Drop the retarded concept of "Don't bring a Knife to a Gun Fight".

With that being said -- Removing firearms from the streets will not impact the criminal as much as it will impact the innocents who rely on firearms for protection.

Moving on from there, those who use firearms in publicly exposed crimes are desperate people, desperate peopel will always get a gun - Why a gun? Many reasons, most of all as they are desperate they do not have a plan to safely conclude their actions, they didn't think that far ahead or they don't plan on surviving their own killing spree, thus a firearm is very efficient albeit overt way of executing their sprees.

Public killing sprees are EXTREMELY rare when compared to homicides from home invasions, robberies, and street-related violence, which is mostly committed with either sharp weapons, or blunt force - Rarely are guns used as for professional or career criminals they know that the use of a fire-arm dramatically reduces their chances of successful escaping covertly.

This is one of those situations, where those who write the laws don't know who, and how the laws affect anything, as most of them have never been on the streets working Law Enforcement or Security.

-- Furthermore, there is countless misconceptions (As proven here), as to violent crimes, and violent deaths -- As a Major in Crime Scene Forensics, i can tell you that -GUN LAWS WILL NEVER WORK-

Did you know that with a rubber band, and about 1 pound of scrap metal, and a spring from a lighter, and any nail you can make a homemade gun? Yeah it's that easy --

If your desperate enough you'll find a gun - Gun laws are for politicians to use those misconceptions as an election vice to ignorantly control their constituents, and it works clearly for their purposes of getting elected, but for practical application purposes it only harms the society that enacts it.