You also forget such movies as Alien Nation, where the visitors do come along and integrate into our society.  Even though they are treated with the same respect (and disrespect) as any other human.

Figuratively speaking humanity as a whole is far more dangerous when it's backed into a corner.  When in mortal danger either we fight and die, or we run.  Unfortunately much like Space: Above & Beyond, "We can not move the earth." So we can't really run, and the earth is our corner, if it comes down to a shooting match.

Out of all the peoples of earth that I'd say would represent a clear and present danger to any alien visitation would be the religious.  Christians and their, "we were made in God's image", crapola.  And the muslim, "it is not human, then it is demon," propaganda.  Chances are someone will take a potshot at any alien no matter the consequances, and like madmen declare they did it for freedom of humanity.  Aliens forbid if the NRA ever got their hands on advanced alien weaponry.

If I were the aliens, I'd stay clear of earth.  Clearly our politics and our religions would be so toxic as to be so deadly, we'd be classified as a dangerous and poisonous threat to the galactic community as a whole.

An individual is intelligent and usually think things through.  A mob is a dangerous body of individuals that just don't listen except to themselves.

I feel sorry for any Alien that comes to visit, whether they are hostile or peaceful.  Either way, we are a more danger to them, than they are to us currently.

Ok this is a post about alien contact so this post will be very appropriate

1) no alien species can just 'visit' and return
It's a one way trip with grave dangers the faster you go.

For instance at 'light speed' a single atom in your path can start a almost nuclear seeming chain reaction of damage. And a baseball sized object would wipe out anything smaller than a deathstar.

Star Trekkies usually try to say sheilding this, pulse that, but the truth of it is with built in armor, magnetic fields to help push, slopes to deflect, and active emitters to push, matter will still hit.

As scientists say there is dark matter I say there is roaming matter. Relativistic speeds would be so dangerous as to be imagined.

Fuel is another issue. X amount of fuel for y amount of thrust on z amount of mass. First to start traveling, second for minor course adjustments, third for slowing then stopping, and fourth for reserves. There is no magic endless energy source (I quite laugh at quantuum vacuum mining thank you much Zarf x( ) and stellaar matter will only get you so far.

2) location is everything
Some scientists like to talk about the odds of other species existing. What they do not talk about is the likely locations of such species.

In such a vadst universe the odds of another species even being remotely near us is staggering. The sun turned into a black hole while you read this type odds.

So this also creates issues for other races to come to meet us since their backyard is more interesting than a star trillions of AU's away that may or may not have planets, life, or anything at all.

3) a species successfully able to carry out space travel...
This species would be vastly more technologically ahead, more prepared than we are, and could crush us like ants, and in interests of survival (one way ticket) would do so in a heart beat.

The assets needed for stellar travel, the number of colonialists needed, equipment for them, and crops, food and such, would make their ship(s) huge by our piddly naval standards. Probably not moon sized, as moons have gravity issues, but still very big by our standards.

This is one of my pet peeves.

There is ONLY ONE WAY ALIENS EXIST IN OUR SYSTEM.

This is if they 'made' us, in which case creationism is correct.

I have three hundred movies of scifi aliens, both classic and modern, and i have 2,000+ literature arts in paperback and hardback format.  And i've hypothisized any number of possibilities when it comes to alien contact.  I'm a scifi and fantasy buff.  I've seen and read the worst of mankind, and the best of mankind.

I firmly believe any society that reaches past their own solar system with an actual living body, would have to have the resources of an entire planet, if not their entire solar system.  And that means a unified government.  And any body that can unify a single planet to achieve intergalactic travel is someone not to mess with.

Chances are they got the same problems that we do.  Hell maybe they are democratic, and believe getting intermixed with us is a bad idea.  Could be like the Federations Prime Directive.  It's our planet, if we screw it up, it's our fault and to hell with us.

If their going to invade, they don't need to even set one single troop on the face of the planet.  They can lob a meteorite at us and chances are we wouldn't see it until it was to late.  Considering our blind spot is the north pole, we really don't have anything to track outer-planetary bodies coming at us from the pole areas (yes, i've checked with NORAD, they really don't have anything to track any lobbies directly on course with either the north or south poles, and neither does the European Union).   In one of L. Ron Hubbards works, the entire population of earth was gas attacked, killing several billion humans.

You really don't have a clue what a small, petty, and dirty little cockroach species we really are.  All that Star Trek, humanity winning through in the end, it's really all crap.

Think of a chance meeting with an alien visitor whether by purpose or accident, with the most common of Murphy's Laws.  Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong.  Think of the worst thing that could happen, and it can happen.

And I read the thesis on the so called "Warp missle," and there is nothing in nature that can go faster than the speed of light.  Chances are we'll meet a generational ship.  That's the descendants of the original starship crew that we'll probably get to know.

And if the universe is anything like Asimov's Foundation and Empire, or the Battletech universe...we might be the only intelligent species in the entire galaxy.  It might be the lucky card of the draw that there was one species in the entire galaxy that grew and evolved.  Might be one species per galaxy, or one species in 100 galaxies.  Or one species in a million galaxies that just got lucky.

Really puts things into perspective of the lonely existance of our species if that's the case.

I live in the real world and love fiction.

I r the uber nerd

This is so not going to happen, no aliens, no visitors, nothing, unless creationists are correcto.

Think long and hard jar head.

No I am saying the only way aliens can be in the SOL system is if they created us.

I was saying I, Einstein, am an uber nerd. I played battle tech, dungeons and dragons, and I hacked games on my commodore 64 to change how they played (with a tape drive no less!) and I was a larp person.

I made my own chainmail even.

Now that I have your attention, if life exists out there, unless it made humans, it is far far far far^100 away from us. And it will kill us if it finds us.

> lmperial wrote:

> Ok, in the last 3 years a few movies have be introduced that hit key elemental points i think are very valid notions to be put up for consideration. (Day after Tomorrow, District 9).

It is no secret that as a whole humanity is self-adsorbed, resource mongering, violent, relatively unintelligent, selfish, cruel, and unbalanced in the ecosphere that we reside. (This is the rule, there are exceptions).

So how would a superior race view us? A threat? A primitive race yet to mature? Would they give us the chance to mature?

Knowing the nature of humanity, and the fact that our priorities have not chance since the Sumerian Empire -- It's quite easy to deduce the notion that once we are capable of space-born living, and expansion we will attempt to annexe or subdue any race we encounter, and simply use an excuse for it, such as "For the Security of Humanity's Future", we always find an excuse to go outside our bounds, this is not just America - Whatever nation resided as the World's Hyper-power it has been so (Funny how prior Hyper-powers that practice the same methodology love to point on the current one and criticized in a cloud of hypocrisy).

So, since most of us here are fairly intelligent open minded people (Unlike mainstream), consider this.

You are an highly advanced race, you happen to by chance discover this race of "Humans" living on a beautiful planet, these humans are slowly killing the planet, they are violent, and most of all they advance quickly, and soon they will be capable of taking to the stars, what do you do?

It's clear that we would never accept such life forms into our communities under the pretense of that which can be seen in the new (remade) series "V", rather we would most likely if capable give them a welcoming that is similar to that in the movie "District 9", any race capable of space travel to the point of discovering us, would clearly be advanced enough to see the threat we would pose, what do you think they would do? What do you think they SHOULD do?

I think Humans are awesome and that anyone who openly questions our superiority should join an EMO band.

Anyhow, who is to say this hypothecial advanced race is more peaceful than we are?

The speed of C is not so much the issue as the strenght to shatter an atom, or to break it from it's bindings

"The speed of C is not so much the issue as the strenght to shatter an atom, or to break it from it's bindings"

What i wanted to say in my post is thank in science you can't label something, it may be impossible know, you may not understand it know or even think that it is impossible.. you nerver know what it is in the next door...

Aliens vs Predator, food for one, slaves for the other.

Keep quoting movies, yawn, it will eventually get a species you love to mate with, or one you would even marry.

Exotic material, higgs bosun, yeah so cool. Except I already know it's billions wasted. How can you tie it into bigger matter... you cannot

If there was more, or less per atom we could measure that due to lighter atoms of similar type to average atoms (why is that plutonium hovering?)

When newly made matter can last for ,000000000001 seconds only and quantuum science is a joke (all inventions of this nature are fully describable using physics, they ran this course before Einstein with nothing to show for it over 100 years)

Again, lets stop throwing Humanistic Theories to no-humanistic notions.

Whos to say they need propulsion? We all know that objects in motions stay in motion unless acted upon by a external force.

Say chew on the fact that said aliens species could in fact simply be a nomadic species, the do not origination form a celestial body, at least not since their own historical antiquity and they simply are drifting through space with inertia damping devices to avoid gravitational pulls, seeking a new planet that will support life for them, the ship they live on is 500 times the size of earth, and now they just found us on their long range scanners that can reach 100 trillion light years away. We are doomed Muahah. lol.

Perhaps they have discovered some means to bypass E=MC2 --

As for trying to jack their technology, who to say we could even comprehend or have the physiological traits requires to use any of it? (District 9, Alien Weaponry).

What if they have discovered a means to raise themselves to a semi-ascended level of partial-etherealness, and can control the atomic principles of all matter, and have no need for technology, they simply exist, and influence all matter.

XD

This is fun, i wanna write a book now, haha.

EDIT : Sorry for Typos -- Was in a hurry, i have a date in 50 minutes XD

Naw, they want a delicacy, were what's for dinner