Topic: The history of Israel

This history lesson is brought on because a wrongful statement by Key. Ignorance is high on this topic.

Pre-WWII Jews were feeling pressure and blame for a number of societies problems. Inflation, poverty, and other fiscal woes were especially blamed on the generally hard working Jews.

Israel and surrounding lands were under British rule (known as the mandate of Palestine) and the population was sparse and limited. There was a limited presence of Jews, Christians, Muslims and other (minority) religions. The land was hard and harsh after so many wars and most civilians had fled a century or more ago to less dangerous lands.

Israeli's, or Jews as they were then, started a very small trickle to modern day Israel. These settlers were welcomed for they brought wealth, expertise and needed skills to the lands.

During the war Jews started in ernest moving to Israel, while in larger numbers it was still to little to alarm anyone. These immigrants brought more wealth and more tools to the lands and minor enclaves started up in less hospitable lands. However with their skills and knowledge these areas quickly became functional and prosperous.

After the war Jews wanted safety and the Jews in British occupied Israel beckoned with open arms. Thus started the first wave of major immigrations.

Now various Mullahs and leaders saw this as a bad thing. They extolled that Arabs must fill Israel as well so even more migrations happened.

Fighting happened between enclaves and the Brit's were reducing their empire size voluntarily. England made two nations out the occupied lands: Israel and Jordan. There was a time table for this to occur but the Arabs attempted to seize Israel and to remove the Jews, to which they found prepared Jews who instead won.

The nation of Israel was born only to have Arab nations prepare for war with it. Being told that war was going to happen most Arab immigrants and some normal residents left Israel. They were promised these lands would be given to them after the Jews were wiped out.

The war of course ended in Israel's favor. Contrary to popular opinion not all Arabs left and none remaining were stripped of citizenship. All who were there at the end of the war were citizens in the still brand new nation.

Israel knew the fleeing Arabs were offered everything if they were wiped out and thus they denied return to those ex-immigrants who left. Those immigrants chose a name for themselves as "Palestinian's"(note this was the British name since the Arabic language has no P's present.) and made their claim over all of the lands of Israel.


The immigrants who left were also rejected by their home nations, seems none of them wanted to lose a "causi belli" that made for good propoganda. For them a weak token to a justifiable cause for war was more important than the immigrants futures.

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2 (edited by Key 08-Oct-2013 00:00:53)

Re: The history of Israel

"Pre-WWII Jews were feeling pressure and blame for a number of societies problems. Inflation, poverty, and other fiscal woes were especially blamed on the generally hard working Jews."

Propoganda fueled by the Nazi party, before and during World War II.  All of the ills of the German public was directed at a particular business savvy religious group.  If I remember....the jews property were siezed and forcibly sent to work farms and "relocation camps."

"Israel and surrounding lands were under British rule (known as the mandate of Palestine) and the population was sparse and limited. There was a limited presence of Jews, Christians, Muslims and other (minority) religions. The land was hard and harsh after so many wars and most civilians had fled a century or more ago to less dangerous lands."

Brittish did NOT control all of the lands therein near Jerusalem, nor Israel as a whole, but the Brittish did have Colonial posts and controlled those posts through the Royal Armed Forces.  After World War II.  Many jewish survivors were once again, relocated by order of the military magistrate of europe, with the consent of the crown.  Those survivors were loaded onto ships and planes and sent to the middle-east.

What you failed to show is that every Colony of the brittish empire had it's native people segregated.  India is no longer one country but two, brought on by british law.  India and segregated Palestine (not to be confused with Israeli palestinians).  Same thing happened in Israel where the native palestinians were shoved to the side to make room for the Jewish "settlers" forcibly relocated there by the british empire.  The EXODUS came about from the other territories, because most european jews blamed the rest of the world for their predictament of enslavement and murder during world word II.  They didn't want to have anything to do with the new Europe.  This same europe was still realing from the German propoganda machine, because those occupied territories were told by german authorities that all french, italian, norwegian...all their ills were made by the jews.  Sadly quite a few countries were more than happy to see the jewish go, and it was pretty much due to propoganda during that time.  Many european governments still considered jews as a problem, instead of a solution to rebuilding after WWII.

The uprising as you called it, did occur.  But it was mullaj's, mujahdene, and radical islamists, turks, on horseback as calvary and muscket rifles against brittish aircraft, american tanks, and machine guns that held the day.

Your leaving a WHOLE slew of information and actual historical events out of this entire situation.  Personally I blame the brittish for the creation of the Israeli state and all the problems thereof.  But I also believe that all those middle-eastern kingdoms and countries would still be fighting over the land that Jeresalem stands on, even today.  Every middle eastern country has layed claimed to the land that the holy city stands on.  To every single country in that region it still represents the pinachle of relgious thoughts, teaching, and at the very outset, religious birth for much of the entirety of Europe, the America's, and northern Africa.  And to those governments, that's power.  To the people, it brings them closer to god.

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Re: The history of Israel

WOW.... reserch history dude

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Re: The history of Israel

Links!  Everyone start posting em here, because there's no other way you can prove your argument, so you're both left with "you're wrong," "no, you're wrong."

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Re: The history of Israel

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

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Palestine is englishified Hebrew (i.e. from the bible)  so yes the Arabs don't really have the word, but neither does english so your point there is a little invalid.

Your implied point that the state of Palestine is an artificial construct (and thus is invalid in your world view) is true (other than the invalid bit), and completely stated as so by the Palestinian government - but then in the same sense there is little difference in say NZ and Australia, or US and Canada, or Scotland and England. All speak the same language and share cultural values....

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Re: The history of Israel

Also, I know Zarf hates me cause I am too lazy for links, but Flint's link is full of mis-information, esp. around what was and was not the mandate of Palestine and how it was administrated. Maybe I will get keen later and go get actual links and debunk flint's link's lies

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You_Fool wrote:

Also, I know Zarf hates me


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It's a love-hate relationship wink

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10 (edited by The Yell 08-Oct-2013 14:15:21)

Re: The history of Israel

British India is 5 countries: Pakistan, Nepal, India, Bangledesh and Myanmar

because they don't like each other

Oh wait Sri Lanka is the 6th

they didn't want to be separate

but everybody forgot them too

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Re: The history of Israel

What Yell said.  British India.  But most of those territories were the one and the same, before the brittish segregation.

And Einstein.  If your not going to fricken talk to a jewish rabbi that survived the holocaust, and teaches religion and history in Israel, and comes to america to teach snot nosed politician-wannabe's like you...it's really not my problem.  Unfortunately I had to sit through his lectures.  He could probably call you a few choice words due to your lack of understanding of the historical significance of that region and how the jewish nation was formed.

Go to the official Israeli historical site.  Written by Israeli's.

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12 (edited by Key 08-Oct-2013 19:05:40)

Re: The history of Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.php

http://www.arabisraeliconflict.info/ara … ory-israel

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ … e_Jews.htm

This doesn't accord first hand written letters of actual immigrants, which have been donated to several musuems and jewish churches, which do exist.

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