Umm, HIV is not a made up disease. However, it is overrated. Only 1% of the US population has it, and it has a 1/2500 female to male transmission ratio, and 1/1,250 male to female transmission ratio. In countries with poor health services, it is a concern. But in the West, it is only a concern to same-sex relationships and drug users. While it should be taught, it does not need special consideration to the point of people distributing condoms to reduce HIV infection, to scare people about it, or have all these free HIV tests available.

There are millions of Americans who cannot get ANY health care, I would prefer a system that tried to cure me rather then one that decided i was too poor to treat.

As for AIDS victims being scum? IN America there are cases of infected blood transfusions etc In Africa babies are being born with the illness, describing these people as filth seems misguided at best.

Also our hospitals have trillions of pounds of funds generated by national insurance payments, its a misguided idea that health care is free in UK, every single working person pays insurance by law - however if you have a complication in surgery during pregnancy you are not then charged an extra $135,000 as happened to my american friend in the states- Now she has to choose between paying bills or feeding her baby.

There are millions of Americans who cannot get ANY health care, I would prefer a system that tried to cure me rather then one that decided i was too poor to treat.<<

Say what?  Everybody can walk into an emergency room and get seen. Granted it is in order of the seriousness so you can be there 8 hours but you get seen.  If you can't pay too bad, sucks to be the county.
People get benefits for being low income, its just some large longterm treatment that isnt covered and some dental work.

you guys have twitter?

>>As for AIDS victims being scum? IN America there are cases of infected blood transfusions etc In Africa babies are being born with the illness, describing these people as filth seems misguided at best.<<

Medical errors are a minority of infections. Obviously I did not mean that I literally do not care about AIDS victims. I was merely pointing out that, while my heart goes out to victims of medical errors and those born with the disease to trashy parents, the root cause of the spread of the disease is trashy behavior and I don't care in the least about the majority of its victims. Little over your head, at best. Sorry. There it is all explained out for you.

>>however if you have a complication in surgery during pregnancy you are not then charged an extra $135,000 as happened to my american friend in the states- Now she has to choose between paying bills or feeding her baby.<<

Tell her to read her insurance policy next time and not buy a bad one. It's not that hard. I read mine. Had more than $1,000,000 in medical work and didn't pay an extra dime. Boo hoo your irresponsible friend got what she bought. Makes me so sad that she could possibly be responsible to run her own life. Your solution to her buying a crappy policy is to force me to pay more for lower quality care. Sorry, I don't like what you're selling. Most people don't. It's so bad you need government to force it on people.

>>For other nations the problem is caused by a lack of specialist etc, not so much the system itself.<<

Presuming, of course, that the system doesn't cause the shortage. And there's no evidence of that. Nor logic to explain how it happens. Err, I mean does't happen. Oops.

You're right. It's only people's lives. You judge some as not very valuable, so who cares if the inferior care you propose kills them. You have the right to decide, after all!

Have you always had to import your doctors?

I live in a country with nationalised health care.

My country has a longer life expectancy than the USA.

The CIA statistics office rates the USA as 34th best life expectancy rate, behind many countries with nationalised health.

The great source of wikipedia ranks the USA at 38th - So a site run by leftist liberals makes you 38th but your own CIA ranks you 34th,

Now i am no expert but in the UK with our shambolic health system the CIA ranks us 25th.....thats better then 34th right?

>>Both stats are strong evidence of superior health care in the UK. There obviously could be numerous other factors but clearly people in the UK are not hugely disadvantaged in health care provision.<<

Right, a country where you can be denied surgery on a broken arm because you smoke.

you're behind Macau and Hong Kong, so I guess 900 years of democracy was wasted.

"Right, a country where you can be denied surgery on a broken arm because you smoke."

That has never happened in this country.....ever.

Seriously....ever!

Some lefties were suggesting that as smokers drain the NHS they should be made to go private but it was very quickly shouted down.

Behind Hong Kong? Still ahead of you

> Khaz Modan wrote:

> "Right, a country where you can be denied surgery on a broken arm because you smoke."

That has never happened in this country.....ever.

Seriously....ever!

Some lefties were suggesting that as smokers drain the NHS they should be made to go private but it was very quickly shouted down.<<<

For the 2nd Time:

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A plumber whose arm was left twisted grotesquely out of shape in an accident ten months ago has had an operation to correct it 'cancelled four times'.
Torron Eeles, 50, has been left unable to work since falling down the stairs and now fears he may lose his home after being denied incapacity benefit.

The father-of-three today hit out at the NHS for the 'unacceptable delays', but East and North Hertfordshire NHS Trust said Mr Eeles had his operation cancelled on 'only' two occasions on clinical safety grounds.

His left arm has hung limply by his side since he fractured the humerus bone in December 2008.

Mr Eeles, from Welham Green, Hertfordshire, applied for employment and support allowance but a doctor ruled he is ineligible for both because he can turn on a tap.

He said: 'This whole situation is absolutely disgusting. I have never heard of anyone else having a broken arm for ten months.
'It's been so long the bones have knitted back together. Sleeping is really uncomfortable because whenever I roll over my arm gets in the way.

'I'm a kitchen fitter and plumber by trade but I can't even slice a loaf of bread let alone work.

'This has been going on and on and it's a complete nightmare.'
Mr Eeles fractured his arm on December 3 and was rushed straight to casualty where doctors put his arm in plaster.

But within a few weeks a specialist said the bones were too far apart and that surgeons would have to insert a metal plate because there was too much movement in the arm.

Mr Eeles claims his first two operations at the Queen Elizabeth II hospital in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, were cancelled due to a lack of beds and operating time respectively.

His third operation in February was postponed after he was found to have high blood pressure, while the fourth, scheduled for May, was abandoned because of concerns about his smoking.
The plaster was removed from Mr Eeles' arm after three months and he was given a wrist sling, which he branded 'totally useless'.

He said: 'My arm just flops about but the sling wasn't doing anything. The plaster didn't make a blind bit of difference after a couple of weeks either.

'How the Jobcentre can say I'm fit I don't know. I was on incapacity benefit until a few weeks ago when I went to be assessed by a doctor in Luton.

'He said because I can turn on a tap and I can lift my arm I don't qualify for help.

'Now I'm worried about losing my house. I've got a mortgage on it and there are credit cards debts I'm struggling to pay because I can't work.'

Nick Carver, the chief executive of the East and North Hertfordshire NHS Trust, insisted computer records showed the trust had only cancelled two operations and that proceeding with the operations could have put Mr Eeles's life at risk.

Mr Carver said: 'Mr Eeles' operation was cancelled only twice - and then both on clinical safety grounds.

'The first time was back in February when his blood pressure was found to be high.

'As his surgery was not an emergency, our surgeons took the right action in referring Mr Eeles to his GP so his blood pressure could be brought under control.

'His second operation in May 2009 was also cancelled, this time because he had failed to act on our surgeon's advice that Mr Eeles that he should give up smoking.

'In cancelling Mr Eeles' two operation dates, our surgeons were acting on clinical grounds only.

'If they are guilty of anything, then it is of having the best clinical interests of their patients at heart.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218927/Plumber-shattered-arm-left-horrifically-bent-shape-operation-cancelled-times.html#ixzz0oyAZjXKk
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"His second operation in May 2009 was also cancelled, this time because he had failed to act on our surgeon's advice that Mr Eeles that he should give up smoking."