A pre-emptive defensive strike? I wish those crazy college students would stop attacking our congressmen.

The congressman was clearly the one reaching out physically, grabbing at or slapping at the camera from the very start. "Hi congressman" and one question about his fully supporting the Obama agenda was greeted with a physical attack without delay, without buildup, without threats--presumably without threatening signs or stance (what we see in the video certainly isn't threatening body language, it's trying to get this old retard off me body language), because the congressman would have reported it to the media later in his ridiculous apology. Apparently partisanship made him an aggressive retard. Who knew.

I don't care if you think they were rude to ask him a question. What he did is illegal. He was clearly the aggressor and no mitigating circumstances legalize his actions, which were captured on video. He could have kept walking, but instead chose to assault the students. How dare they ask him a political question!

Wow. That's illegal.

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Gass, grass, or ass! Nobody rides for free!

Unless you're in Europe. But, as it turns out, you can't steal a bus and drive around forever for free. Boo hoo.

>>and Germany said an EU aid mechanism was in place if Madrid needed a Greek-style rescue.<<

None of them have any money. It's one broke country borrowing from another broke money who's borrowing from another broke country to give them the aid. It's just accelerating the problems of nations whose books aren't _as_ bad as others. This way everyone gets their legs broken when the collector shows up. I guess it fits with socialist values. Share the pain.

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Yeah, the right of a free people to keep and bear arms is inherently linked with WAR. Because that's what the debate about me protecting my right to defend myself and my family and shoot bambi is about: war!

They're not even related. This is the level of exchange put forth in the "resource-based economy" fantasy thread. It's like talking to someone on LSD.

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Discussions? You have to respond to people's ideas in order to have a discussion.

Your flawless logic has convinced us that common sense and countless studies are wrong, Fokker. Thank you for your contribution.

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Have you ever lived in a communist country?

He has. And he votes against it. So that's 1:0 people living under communist rule being against it.

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The only good communist is a dead communist.

That clip was hysterical.

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I'm asking them not to encourage a troll. If he's ignorant or dishonest enough to claim that the USA has "third world" medical care, he's not interested in a discussion. He's just trolling. You're just encouraging him. I choose not to. I urge you to do the same.

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>>Since then he seems to be failing, he cannot unite a country behind a health bill that would bring away from its third world medical status.<<

Thread's ignorant spam. Nobody wants to read the ramblings of someone who chooses to be ignorant. Don't encourage the troll.

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Spam.

Go read scholarly studies of gun control's effects on crime rates. You'll find the same results from everyone all over. UK, Australia, Washington DC in USA, and on and on.

The point is that gun control doesn't prevent crime. Those who would break laws are not deterred from this task by other laws preventing gun possession. The statistics all show that removing guns from the equation makes criminals more bold. The knowledge that someone won't have a firearm to protect themself is one less reason not to rob or attack them.

The stupid deserve death before procreation. It's for the good of the species. You pansies will water down humanity's future.

>>Tell me when did a gun in USA stopped a mass murder?<<

Hasan was stopped by being shot many times. The shame is that he wasn't shot sooner. The same is true of all mass murders. If someone had a gun and shot them after they pulled out a weapon and started shooting and before they had time to shoot a dozen+ people, that would be a good thing. There aren't mass murders where guns are more common, because would-be mass murderers get shot and stop murdering. Your question seems rather misguided.

There's no disputing the facts, only ignorant people without values who aren't above lying about them.

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Hahaha that's priceless.

You keep your babysitter, I'll keep my freedom.

I only assume that "public" stations with government money ballooning their budget are artificially given the opportunity to deceive consumers into thinking their programming is something anyone watches. They're competition to private companies, making it more difficult to run a profitable business providing media to the public. Private businesses should be the only thing competing with private businesses and determining the quality of programming necessary to profit and exist. Funding a company regardless of the quality of its programming (which only consumers are capable of judging) is harmful to companies that produce content consumers actually want.

This thread is about government funding for for-profit companies, Freelancer. Funding for for-profit companies that are failing because they cannot produce a product that consumers want. This action directly short-circuits what makes capitalism work so well in providing the highest quality products at the lowest cost. It is desirable that companies which cannot produce a product consumers want at a price that they can profit from go out of business and cease to exist. Funding such failed enterprises with tax money is a waste of money.

News flash: We don't have a surplus, and I'll wager that non-US residents supporting wasting money on supporting these failed institutions don't have surpluses either. This is just ridiculous. We have no money but some are advocating spending money propping up failed business. No, I don't want anyone taking my money to produce more content that nobody wants. Try what you're advocating in your personal life first before you advocate pushing it on a national scale and wasting others' money: We won't have to respond to your posts, because you'll lose your internet in no time. Things aren't free. You're not doing anyone a favor by proposing actions which increase the cost of living for everyone, you're hurting everyone--especially the poor, who can't afford the increase in cost of living.

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I would explain why my position isn't racist and mock you for calling it racist, like I recently did with xeno.

We're capable of discussing our frames of reference. Effectively he's accusing me of employing the straw-man fallacy, but without an explanation of where I'm wrong in my analysis of his position. I've called him on repeatedly employing that fallacy in another thread. This thread has only the vaguest of position statements. Granted, he would undoubtedly argue that socialism does not necessarily entail tyranny (it's just a coincidence that the ones I mentioned and every other one on the globe and in history existed with tyranny), but I'll wager he'd have objected similarly if my post stated that socialism inherently enslaves men to the state. Slavery doesn't have a positive connotation either, so he'd label me offensive and appealing to fallacious logic. But I'm the one capable of explaining how socialism enslaves men, exploits men, and crushes freedom. And I'm not seeing thoughtful explanations in response, just attacks on straw-man arguments and ad-hominem attacks.

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When the thread's topic, reliance on government, necessarily includes the idea of taking from people and limiting people's freedoms, there's no other word for it. I'm not going to be dishonest because someone finds the truth offensive.

If you can't call your position what it is, you know it's indefensible. If you want to defend tyranny, defend tyranny. Don't defend a government without limits and take offense at calling it a government without limits. That's just weird. To determine what success people are allowed to have is to make them slaves. Pretty language doesn't change this fact. Saying you hate slavery while claiming that anyone has the right to determine the success of others doesn't make you an opponent of slavery. Taking offense at words doesn't distance you from the meaning of those words. It's a silly game I have no desire to engage in. You can take up self-image and self-deception issues with a licensed psychological expert.

>>On the other hand, your constitution is more than 200 years old and it shouldn't be taken as a godsent dogma. <<

Nobody is suggesting that it is. Aren't you tired of attacking straw-man arguments yet? It's the law. And America is a nation of laws, not a barbarian area of the globe where those in power may do whatever they feel like. It is this constitution that has given the USA wealth that no other country on the earth has ever known. I don't think those parts of the constitution protecting individual liberties and property (among others) which have led to American excellence are outdated. I do not believe that wealth and excellence are outdated. Any adaptation of this document which removes monumentally good parts with anything less is, by definition, one that makes it worse.

>>Those times differ from ours, and that's clear on certain parts of any constitution.. Your country should reserve the right to adapt it. <<

We do reserve the right to alter it. In fact, the Constitution is the legal document which protects this right.

>>Again, funding media doesn't result in problems on its own.<<

You're claiming that a government can hand out money to certain companies in a free market and not others (not based on consumer choice) and that this will have absolutely no negative impact on the consumer. That's just silly.

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You're saying that advocating freedom from tyranny is offensive?

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Yeah, I'm a big fan of rating standard of living by "access." If the government is socialist and charged with providing it (regardless that they don't have enough), the people are rated at 100% access. A+. Awesome standard of living. If the people have to provide it for themselves, then it's 0% access, even if the free market produces excess and it's cheap.

Clearly an access rating system is flawless, and China and Cuba PWN the crap out of the USA in standard of living. I'm so educated!

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Yes, we should all be slaves to a benevolent state! Socialist tyranny is awesome. I wish I had the standard of living of China or Cuba!

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Yeah, I just caught the news. Thanks to Obama, the USA now funds Hamas. Yeah, we're not a retarded nation. Gonna get us some real respect now. We got our act together. Just don't murder our citizens or we'll give you hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Stop feeding the troll.

His basis:
>>he was instrumental in fixing the stock market<<

Which is complete nonsense. Obama hasn't "fixed" the stock market in any way, and he has very obvious detrimental effects on it.

>>and helping th eglobal economy recover by rallying the heads-of-state to back the bail-out plan<<

Everyone with half an education knows that this recovery, by all the numbers, is very slow and jobless. Recoveries are naturally much steeper and faster than this. Obama has slowed down this recovery tremendously. This is hardly opinion. Yeah, there are those who claim that census workers can save the economy, but they have no education nor idea what they're talking about. They think government jobs like census jobs are productive and create wealth and save economies... Everyone who can tie their own shoes knows they're wrong.

>> it was his sheer determination which got medicare passed<<

If he is referring to the health care package, he's incorrect on the facts (it was pressure and corrupt deals that got it passed), and it wasn't an accomplishment to get a garbage bill passed. He could probably get a bill outlawing left-handed smoke shifters passed too, but it wouldn't make him a great president. It's not an accomplishment. It's nothing positive for anyone.

>> signed a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, and won a Nobel Peace Prize<<

And more things which aren't accomplishments.

Xeno has 0 support for his claim that Obama has done anything positive. Thread's spam.

>>Tyranny from taxing electronics? Good joke. <<

Every time a government acts beyond the power given to it in its constitution, this leads to tyranny. Every time such a limiting document is ignored, it erodes the authority of law, setting the stage to ignore it more in the future--in this case, overstepping the limits placed by the US Constitution. This is unlawful, but you call it a joke. I'm glad you think tyranny is funny. Nanci Pelosi laughs about the Constitution as she breaks it. Somebody should lock the bitch up. I'm sure the joke's on me, and you'd love to live in Cuba or China. Tyranny is a good joke! The law is funny!