Topic: Should We Truly Rely Upon The Government?

Time after time we see that over reliance upon the government is silly

A new example: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100609/ap_on_re_us/us_food_stamp_delays

The School Busses at Katrina, Tennessee where my wannabe Lover is and now Foodstamps.

Should we Truly rely upon such incompetence?

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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"Tennessee where my wannabe Lover is"

ladyboy?

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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"Take the government  hands out of my medicare?"

So what is your solution? stop the programe? Give it to the private sector?

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Yes, we should all be slaves to a benevolent state! Socialist tyranny is awesome. I wish I had the standard of living of China or Cuba!

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I read somewhere that America lags behind Greece in social services and the quality of life! I want Greek care! Greek social services for all!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Yeah, I'm a big fan of rating standard of living by "access." If the government is socialist and charged with providing it (regardless that they don't have enough), the people are rated at 100% access. A+. Awesome standard of living. If the people have to provide it for themselves, then it's 0% access, even if the free market produces excess and it's cheap.

Clearly an access rating system is flawless, and China and Cuba PWN the crap out of the USA in standard of living. I'm so educated!

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For people who want a more powerful government because they want business to be responsible to it, then my question is who is the government responsible to? And for the people who think our government is responsible to the people beyond a very limited extent, or who think it can be done, are in lala fantasy land.

The solution is simple. Do not allow power to concentrate in the hands of a few, rather distribute it widely.

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"Yes, we should all be slaves to a benevolent state! Socialist tyranny is awesome. I wish I had the standard of living of China or Cuba!"

Yet you say that I'm offensive.

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You're saying that advocating freedom from tyranny is offensive?

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Perhaps he's saying that framing Arnor as in favor of tyranny (which generally has a negative connotation) is offensive.  Your phrasing frames the debate as "He is in favor of tyranny, I'm not."  If a poll was taken using the phrasing you use, he would lose automatically, only because of the connotations implied.

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When the thread's topic, reliance on government, necessarily includes the idea of taking from people and limiting people's freedoms, there's no other word for it. I'm not going to be dishonest because someone finds the truth offensive.

If you can't call your position what it is, you know it's indefensible. If you want to defend tyranny, defend tyranny. Don't defend a government without limits and take offense at calling it a government without limits. That's just weird. To determine what success people are allowed to have is to make them slaves. Pretty language doesn't change this fact. Saying you hate slavery while claiming that anyone has the right to determine the success of others doesn't make you an opponent of slavery. Taking offense at words doesn't distance you from the meaning of those words. It's a silly game I have no desire to engage in. You can take up self-image and self-deception issues with a licensed psychological expert.

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> V.Kemp wrote:

> If you can't call your position what it is, you know it's indefensible.



That's the key problem: You're using your own frame of reference to tell him what he should defend his position as.


If I thought your position was racist, and you said that was offensive to frame you as racist, I could just as easily say "If you can't call your position what it is, it's indefensible."  Why?  Because, from my frame of reference, your view would be racist.  I am forcing you to either defend racism, or I dismiss you outright, with no possibility of you saying "My position isn't racism."

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I would explain why my position isn't racist and mock you for calling it racist, like I recently did with xeno.

We're capable of discussing our frames of reference. Effectively he's accusing me of employing the straw-man fallacy, but without an explanation of where I'm wrong in my analysis of his position. I've called him on repeatedly employing that fallacy in another thread. This thread has only the vaguest of position statements. Granted, he would undoubtedly argue that socialism does not necessarily entail tyranny (it's just a coincidence that the ones I mentioned and every other one on the globe and in history existed with tyranny), but I'll wager he'd have objected similarly if my post stated that socialism inherently enslaves men to the state. Slavery doesn't have a positive connotation either, so he'd label me offensive and appealing to fallacious logic. But I'm the one capable of explaining how socialism enslaves men, exploits men, and crushes freedom. And I'm not seeing thoughtful explanations in response, just attacks on straw-man arguments and ad-hominem attacks.

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You are a racist kemp, if given the chance, you'd lynch any color that wasn't white.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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as if Jane Fonda gets a pass cause of her color

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.