2,351

(12 replies, posted in Politics)

> Justinian I wrote:

> 4. Yes. I mean nation-states are fully independent. There should be no international law at all. Any attempts for a world government ought to be ruthlessly opposed. And on this, I am uncompromising. I am not a Terran. I am an American.

To be realistic, the UN's power is ineffective. Ultimately, the major powers can and do ignore them whenever it suits their purposes. I approve of the fact that the UN is powerless without the cooperation of its member states. What I don't approve of is the laughable efforts by major powers to justify wars driven by self-interest under the pretenses of international law, when they ignore violations that do not concern them. And even with this defacto state of affairs in the UN, a lot still gets done. But I'm afraid that this defacto state of affairs could result in a stronger UN because of the ideas we're putting in people's heads.




While I won't dispute the underlying fact you present (that wars are generally issues of national self-interest, rather than human rights-focused), doesn't the idea of human rights help to prevent some wars?  If the world accepts "wars are legitimate as long as they can help one of the participants in the outcome," it generally gives nations the international legitimacy to go on whatever conquering or counter-conquering sprees they desire.  However, if a nation is ethically required to conjure up some sort of casus belli for their war or risk international legitimacy loss... doesn't that at least allow rallying of nations against, say... Germany-Poland-type war scenarios?

2,352

(295 replies, posted in General)

Awww... I died sad


Was fun anyway, though!  tongue

2,353

(295 replies, posted in General)

Switching to Valenka... mainly so that Nolio will go inactive for 2 days and let Metrex play... wink

2,354

(295 replies, posted in General)

Yeah... I was going to wait until I got outside confirmation... but this is enough evidence for me.  Go for it, guys.  tongue

2,355

(295 replies, posted in General)

16:38    Nolio    just lynch me
16:38    Nolio    I'm so done with this game =p
16:39    Nolio    I'm mob
16:40    Nolio    Iluvatar failed

Voting Nolio.

2,356

(295 replies, posted in General)

Because if it's anything members of the mafia hate, it's tax auditors.  tongue

2,357

(295 replies, posted in General)

I'm changing my vote to Ben.  Not that I'm convinced Gen isn't mob.  This is more a strategic vote on my part.  Unofficial vote count:

Ben-5 (Alch, Valenka, Torqez, DarkGlue, Ps)
Genesis-3 (Nolio, KT, Zarf_BeebleBrix)
Nolio-1 (Genesis)
KT-1 (Ben)

Still to vote: 7 people


There's 4 mobsters left, which means 4 votes they control.  My vote is largely meant to ensure that the townies control the vote.  I have no problem if the vote ends up going in favor of killing Genesis over Ben, but just wanted to make sure at least one of the votes.  Sorry to those whom I coordinated with before my vote switch, but voting advances since then necessitate the switch.

2,358

(295 replies, posted in General)

I'm voting Genesis.  His votes both rounds have been suspect, and perfectly in line with the other person on the town's hit list.

If Gen's votes were both cast first, I would say that could mean Ben was stalking Gen.  But each vote is begun by a different person... either indicating pure coincidence or that there was collusion beforehand on the part of the unit.

2,359

(295 replies, posted in General)

One thing I want to post:

To the doctor:
Please contact the person whom you saved last night.  Because you saved him, you can be 100% sure that he is now a townie.  You can trust he'll keep you protected, and that he can help you organize with the rest of the townies, while still protecting your identity.

Thank you.

2,360

(295 replies, posted in General)

Sitting in on that huge discussion in #mafia, and in desperate need of sleep... I'm also voting Wendy.

2,361

(295 replies, posted in General)

Upon request, here's the reasoning for throwing out my theory:

My theory makes the following assumptions:
1: Ps' test is good (I dunno anymore, lol)
2: Ps' vote for KT was based on a belief she was mob (He came to confirm this, so at least this one checks out)
3: Ps is a good guy (KT noted that Ps was online to chat after being inactive at the same time as Primo in one instance, both only leaving inactivity at the exact same time, i.e., they talked.  Ps confirmed this, explaining that their conversation was part of his test).
4: External to my note of the inconsistency with regards to Ps' system, I had suspicion because KT would only randomly come onto IRC intermittently to say she's a townie or attack someone else.



21:47    KT    what zarf i have been at work
21:47    KT    then while you think is intermittent i am doing multi checks checking vips
21:48    KT    trying to get ppls names and races changed
21:48    KT    and trying to play IC
21:48    KT    so i dont just get to sit here to tryin and follow everything in this chat
21:48    KT    to try*
21:49    KT    cuz i cant

Long story short... I didn't take into account that unlike most people, KT is a mod and has other responsibilities  even when on IRC.  I apologize for any confusion, and reaffirm that I am not voting for KT.  tongue

2,362

(295 replies, posted in General)

KT gave a sufficient explanation to my theories.  My vote is withdrawn.

2,363

(295 replies, posted in General)

This is preliminary, but my vote goes to KT.

Reasoning:
1: Ps sets up his little test.
2: In the night phase of day 1, KT took Ps' test.
3: Day phase of day 1: KT says, in a quick blip, "don't vote for me, I'm a normal townie.  I even passed Ps' test."
4: Day 1 voting: Ps votes KT.  Why would Ps vote for KT if he said she passed his test?
5: When I asked, KT provided logs from Ps stating that she passed the test.
6: However, I asked the question of why Ps would vote for KT despite saying she passed the test.  KT didn't offer an answer, and instead immediately accused Ps of being mob, for unrelated reasons.


There are three explanations here:
1: KT is mob, and Ps caught her.
2: Ps is mob, and KT is just a bad target.
3: Both are townies, and they're just both confused.


I find #2 to be unlikely simply because Ps' test places him under a huge amount of pressure.  He is claiming that he can single-handedly identify every mobster here, even before the round started.  Random talking out of one's ass and standing at center stage is a pretty good way to get the world to hate them, unless they're right (or at least really think they can be right).

Then there's #3.  If I'm wrong with this hypothesis, this is probably the next best choice, and I'd just be wrong.  tongue
Anyway... personally, I think this is wrong because, outside of this, KT hasn't necessarily been participating in IRC discussions, except to either intermittently say a one-line "I'm a townie" or a few mobster accusations.  The only one I actually heard her substantiate is the Ps accusation (although to be honest, I don't fully remember why she made that accusation, so if she could post the justification as a reminder, it would be helpful).


Anyway... I'm not really sure on this one, just yet.  I'd like to see what one or two other people say on this, and I'd like to see a KT reply here.  But for now... I'm voting KT (although I'll be online to change it, if needed... just want an answer at this point).

2,364

(295 replies, posted in General)

Change vote to delex.  The Nolio bandwagon there tipped the balance for me.

2,365

(295 replies, posted in General)

Although this can, and probably will, change (because I'm terribly indecisive and have been on #mafia since the day started trying to figure out my vote), I'm voting glue.

He's been offline for the entire game, only to come online and, without saying even a single word in #mafia, jumps on the Nolio bandwagon.  Thoughts, anyone?

2,366

(295 replies, posted in General)

Already explained that in chat twice...

For the record:

Both the SK and mafia picked the same person.  As a result, I am pretty sure whoever was the target is a high-profile person in the game.

From there... I really just randomly picked Torqez due to my own seeing of him in IRC mafia.  That wasn't supposed to be an accusation or anything, really...

2,367

(295 replies, posted in General)

Yay!  Game started!  big_smile

2,368

(6 replies, posted in Politics)

May or may not comment later.  Very interesting read, though!  smile

2,369

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

I'm actually going to agree with Twoisdeath on this one.

2,370

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

Okay...

Question #1:
In your opinion, what would Victory in Afghanistan look like?

2,371

(8 replies, posted in Universal News)

lol!  There should be an interesting story coming up...

2,372

(15 replies, posted in Community)

*starts digging the grave*

2,373

(24 replies, posted in Politics)

Argentina would vulture that one!

2,374

(41 replies, posted in General)

> [TI] arsbury wrote:

> I haven't seen half the people in that list online since I've been back! tongue


Some of us just like joining lists.  big_smile

2,375

(46 replies, posted in Ideas)

Fine... if you have to be technical about it smile