True. However, the granier the paper, the lower the quality..
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True. However, the granier the paper, the lower the quality..
Look for the anarchist cookbook, it should have something like that...
Eristoff!
"You've obviously never shot an AK-47 or anything else at a decent range WFS."
Indeed not, I consider it an unhealthy desire too!
"Many men (and women) have used firearms in defense of their families, nations, and justice. Your discounting of the valor of their actions is silly, WFS."
We have cops/soldiers for that, cowboy ![]()
Also, you don't need an AK-47 to kill an unfortunate raccoon or opossum..
I know he spent quite some money in it. I merely wanted to point out that Obama (or any other president) can't do anything right in an economic crisis, or: "the grass is always greener on the other side"-effect..
Basicly, the economic crisis is something we have to sit through, the only thing a government can do is trying to make that not too much jobs get lost.
Why not go all the way and get a B-17 Flying fortress?
If you have an AK-47, wich is a semi-automatic gun with 30 bullets per loader, you don't really have to care about accuracy...
Anyhoo, guns are silly. It's as much of a penis-extention as a Hummer..
"Thats a strange sort of communism."
There's *nothing* communist about North Korea..
lol, a few months ago, all republicans were shouting that the economy should clean itself out. Now, GM went bancrupt cause Obama didn't do anything, and it's all wrong again ![]()
Get a pencil sharpener, it has a blade. Anything more advanced will only lead to tragedies.
"2 sequels, a cartoon series, and a comic book series. Also a book series if your like me and prefer that method"
What a terrible waste of energy.. It was all crap to start with...
"I was just explaining that to him, who believes that this man murdered countless human beings, killing this man was justified because he was going to continue to kill countless more human beings. To him it was like shooting a Nazi deathcamp executioner whose job it was to kill countless human beings in order to prevent them from killing more."
I know.
please elaborate?
"On the other, there is no greater love, says the Lord, than to lay down one's life for a friend. This man gave up his life to stop a man from ending the lives of many children who were fully capable of surviving and thriving in the world we take for granted our right to survive and thrive in."
Those babies were unwanted, thus not really anyone's friend. You also take for granted there's actually a god (wich is in this case quite an important factor)...
I agree on the fact that late term abortions aren't correct by default, as there are many other possibilties for that (like adoption etc), but it doesn't justify the killing in any way...
"Redistribution is not necessary to avoid overproduction and terrible economic collapse. Responsible capitalism (responsible meaning with the obvious and not so obvious government safeguards [enforced], neither of which the US government is any good at) takes care of that just fine. Only Marxist economics professors go so far as to teach their faith that socialism is ultimately and naturally the next stage of civilization after capitalism--whether or not they are correct in their assumption that this is the ultimate and "utopian" state of civilization which is more just and provides a better (not just equally impoverished) life for all its citizens is something which all indications say is being tried right now in the USA. I can't wait to see what happens. I'm going to try to act surprised."
What you call "responsible capitalism" is what we call realistic socialism. We both seem to agree that it's needed, thanks for that! The difference lies in this: I don't tie the word "socialism" to Marx, wich apparently is still a true devil in America and can't be looked at from a neutral position. Marx wasn't a political mind, but a typical 19th century "scientist"..
And I do think that if there's no redistribution at all, it does lead to a collapse. If there's a mass of unemployed people who don't get anything from the state by redistribution, they can only live off charity. Thus, they're unable to contribute in the economic system. Free market economy needs economic growth and thus more demand, but when a group isn't able to participe it leads ultimatly to overproduction..
It took quite some time to reach it (more or less the entire "long 19th century"), to collapse in the 30's, but the system had it coming.. There was a whole range of new products and improved products for a group that got too small for the industry producing them. Production volumes were decreased, wich meant more people were made redundant, wich again decreased the demand for those products and so on...
There's a difference that's rather fundamental difference: communism doesn't equal socialism. I never claimed the free market economy should disappear entirely. It's the most favourable model and I do defend it.
I just think it should be of service to everyone rather than a lucky few. Redistribution of some level is needed or it ultimatly leads to overproduction and a terrible economic collapse like in the '30s.
With redistribution I mean: government support for new compagnies (a tax cut or cheaper loans for example), a money bonus for kids parents have, scholarships, a fund for people with long term diseases (like cancer: not to cure them per se, but make sure the disease doesn't strangle them economicly), scaled taxes, money for the unemployed (although it should be combined with inspection that they actually look for work) etc.
"Take economics 101. Go to school. Read a book. I'm done."
I had economics, I had economical history, I know what I'm talking about..
"And it always fails to."
Then why on earth is one of the best Western economies doing this with great success (Norway) while the paradise of free market in it's purest form (the USA) struggling to keep going?
Congratulations on GM going bancrupt btw ![]()
"well, if someone is performing murders and the state isnt going to do anything about it, are you not justified in stopping them if they arent specifically targeting you?"
No, you aren't. Killing someone cause the state doesn't stop him is not justified at all.
"Our left is not your left, our left is a bunch of criminals."
Same can be said about your right..
It's sort of cynical that when school shootings happen, it gets blamed on the kids being twisted and all of you Americans say nothing can be done to prevent such a thing (tightening the laws on weapon ownership wouldn't work). When a pro abortionist doctor gets killed, you blame it on the government not reacting and it's all justified..
Isn't that a bit warped to blame it on the actors in one scenario and on the government in the other?
And that's relevant how?
"Take Bill Gates as an example"
He's the only one who I know of the three you mentioned, so I'm only going to discuss him.
"He had to keep working for his fortune."
Not true. He willingly resigned the CEO position to Ballmer so that he could do what he wanted to do. He holds quite some shares in Microsoft and doesn't need to work. He quit Microsoft a while ago and he passed all the other richest people in the world in rocketspeed.
"If he let up then Google could have made an OS"
"Apple might have passed him"
"Linux might have had a prayer at success."
Irrelevant, and in most cases untrue, I think. None of those were ever in the position to threaten Microsoft's position. Microsoft had only 1 main competitor (for a little while), wich was IBM's now defunct OS/2
Anyway, Bill Gates is a good example of money not being used in the economy. He'll never be able to spend all the money he has in his lifetime. It just sits there and that's a drain.
He had 58 billion (in Euro) at the start of 2009 according to Forbes. Imagine that he gave every American 20 EUR (wich is possible), then you'd all buy something with it, wich would boost the economy more than when he just keeps it.
I'm not saying that that should happen, all I'm saying is that a redistribution of wealth by the authority is economicly justified. The degree in wich to do this is somewhat of a different matter though.
You don't watch movies for the ideal behind it ![]()
Anyhoo, I'll read the post later and comment on that instead..
"If you give your money to the bank, the bank uses your money.
If no-one uses your money not even you then all other money increases in value."
Banks do reinvest. I was talking about the Scrooge McDuck vault, in this case.
In case of the banks, it's indeed reinvestment, but the a large quantity of the profit of these investments is sucked up by the banks themselves. Governemnts who redistribute wealth do the same, but without the need to gain money themselves as much as banks do.
Thus: a redistributing authority is defenatly economicly justified.
That's the whole point Flint. The ultrarich can not be forced to invest out of free will: they just can't be bothered anymore..
Also, redistribution supports those without an income the most, and by doing so they can spend it. Spending money makes sure the demand doesn't expire wich would only lead to more bancrupties and such.
By supporting the small man with all sorts of business starting bonusses, you also offer him the money and possibility to start an own business.
In a free market economy, without redistribution at all, a ever increasing group of people is excluded from the economic machine and it leads to horrible economic crisisses like in the 1930's.
I want to raise a sort of off topic question:
Why on earth would anyone watch Starship Troopers 3? The first one was an abomination, nevermind the sequels!
Hold on.. Socialistic ideals are now protecting the compagny owners rather than the employees?
Flint, your scenario is terribly out of touch with reality...
1) there will never be a 100% tax
2) that duck would lose money, as he has expenses as well.
What socialism is about is this: it tries to accumulate the part of their incomes that won't be used other than saving it. That money is used to support other economic players. Scrooge McDuck is a good example of that. All the money in his vault is doing nothing at all, except draining the economy from money that could be invested in new projects etc.
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