I'm referring to UN creating the Palestinian Authority in the 1990s.  As a matter of law Israel can't absorb Jordanian and Syrian territory, but the UN gave them a pass by making a whole other nation out of it.  Egypt and Jordan don't want the highly politicized and self-centered Palestinians as their own citizens either, because they'd revolt like they did in Gaza. So the strict reading of international law has been broached by mutual consent--with the exception of the Golan Heights which Syria wants back.

Action to remove the threat from Iraq would also allow the Iraqi people to build a better future for their society. And Iraq's liberation would be the beginning, not the end, of our commitment to its people. We will supply humanitarian relief, bring economic sanctions to a swift close, and work for the long-term recovery of Iraq's economy. We'll make sure that Iraq's natural resources are used for the benefit of their owners, the Iraqi people.

Iraq has the potential to be a great nation. Iraq's people are skilled and educated. We'll push as quickly as possible for an Iraqi interim authority to draw upon the talents of Iraq's people to rebuild their nation. We're committed to the goal of a unified Iraq, with democratic institutions of which members of all ethnic and religious groups are treated with dignity and respect.

Bush, 3/16/2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030316-3.html

A meteor strike, avalanche, 8.0 earthquake...

Tidus! where you been?

McD's?

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ZIDI ASKS:

So...

I havent read THAT much about these happenings...

but my simple thought it from what I have read

Two georgian provinces rebel
Georgia sends in military
Russia sends in there military beause the two rebel provinces have alot of russians in them (that and theyre political goals, but...)
The world goes ape [nuts]

Some bastards crash planes into twin towers america
America invades afghanistan and iraq, to protect citizens of american thousands of kilometers away with no direct involvement or risk?
the world....kinda goes against, but does very little in response?

seems....well even with the russian political goals in mind, they seem to have more...of a valid reason to do what they did then america did in iraq...

but meh....

I dont know all the facts.... so dont flame, feel free to correct me

(not that im entirely against america in iraq, suddam was a bastard, but then, he isnt that different to any number of bastards in the world who lead countries)

Already multiple threads on Georgia.

Is KOTOR multiplayer?

/dies of a stroke

>>No, for adopting a pro-Russian pov that ONLY .ru media sources run.<
For what it is worth I am sorry that the facts, my conclusions, and the true order of events disagree with your favourite media outlet's bias, but that does not change the fact that my position comes from an observation of reality truth and not just spoken truth, and neither does your baseless assertion
<<
Berating my country for thwarting a hypothetical future pullout is not an attack from the facts of the case.

>>You denied, with Russian media, that Russia was advancing on Gori and Poti.<
When? Quote me exactly. (Why do I get deja-vu whenever I say that... oh, wait)
>You insisted Russia was leaving and wasn't causing a humanitarian crisis.<
No, I said they were leaving until America got impatient, I said nothing about any humanitarian crisis.<<

Right sorry, I got my brit appeasers confused.

>You shrug off Ossetian ethnic cleansing of their province<
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" Is the basis of American Justice, yes? I think the Ossetians wanting the Georgians out of their province is quite understandable considering it was not very long ago that Georgia was trying to "coerce" them by force... oh, wait, I forgot; It doesn't matter how this got started, about who started killing who first, all that matters is that we all try our hypocritical best to shame Russia out of a country that is not Russian.<<
I'd call that an admission you shrug off ethnic cleansing.

>>and the UN principle that borders don't change with military incursions.<
They don't... you seem to be confused... did you perhaps jump to a conclusion?
The border does not change until this is all over... assuming there is anything left when this is all over.<<
It's over when Russian troops are back in Russia.

>>I wonder why Russia didn't want American anything in Georgia until it was out?
I wonder if it has something to do with a certain cold war countries' habit of supplying anti-USSR rebels with weapons under the guise of Aid?
But, of course, America would never do anything so reckless, devious, underhanded, and dishonourable, because that would be against a million treaties and international agreements, like the one that forbid your country from sending spy-planes into their airspace...
Yeah, I wonder why they didn't trust you?<<
What treaty did we sign saying we wouldn't spy?  I don't want good relations with a fascist aggressor like Russia.

>>18th August: But they WERE leaving, all you had to do was be patient. But instead we have this... this situation. If you wanted a war that badly the smart thing would be this; Wait until they stop pulling out (probably somewhere in Ossetia) and then get angry and shouty...<<

RUSSIA gave a date and our damnfool US govt fell for it.  RUSSIA was not out by the 18th.  RUSSIA makes clear it will not be moving from where it is now.

>>Russia is stealing territory through invasion.  Where is USA doing that?<
In Iraq, or are you planning on removing your businesses as well as your army? Shall we have the discussion about American companies getting first dibs on the corpse of Iraq? Or shall we just accept that an invasion is an invasion no matter if you use a sword or a pen?<<
First dibs? ELF and the Israelis got first dibs, and neither sent troops, but they got oil and telephone contracts from the independent Iraqi ministries.  US security firms are going to be BANNED in Iraq.  Iraq is in no way part of USA.

>>>"If Ossetia joins Russia, so what?"  WAR CRIME<
Ossetia wanting to join Russia is a war crime? So when Scotland leaves the UK you will Kaboom them for us, yes?<<

If it happens through a Russian invasion, yes.

>>"A little White satellite appears beyond the borders of the motherland, so what?" WAR CRIME<
Again, how?<<
By taking lands in conquest.

>>"If Georgia gets stomped for trying to coerce Ossetia with guns and bombs, so what?" WAR CRIME
Yes Yell, Georgia's hostilities towards Ossetia were a Crime, but unfortunately there was no declaration of war so nobody will be punished for warcrimes... how sad.
I don't understand how Georgia paying the price for it's aggression is a warcrime, just like I don't understand how Britain trying to punish Germany for invading Poland was a warcrime. Could you explain?<<

Russian army goes into a foriegn country.  Russian border moves up to include occupied territory.  That is a war of conquest and assimilation.

>I thought you liked democracy<
I do, it is the closest we will ever come to true Communism in my lifetime. What about you, do you like Democracy, do you believe that the people should be free to choose their leaders, no matter how stupid?

Nope! Communism = tyranny

It's sort of cool to be Vader, but they didn't do the James Earl Jones voice effects, in the films Vader says "Aaaaahhh" when he gets his ass kicked, not "ughn!"

his levitating Force choke is cool.

But it's even more awesome to BEAT darth vader, we made up a girly-girl who fought Vader on the laser bridge.  We stomped him on the foot and he hopped on one leg, then we kicked him in the nads and he went limp, then we pole-vaulted him for a Ring Out. Impressive. Most Impressive.