> TheYell wrote:

> You may not like us, and if Obama wins, -I- might not like us, but Russia is acting like a lying thug on this one, Fokker<

Russia drew up it's plan of attack before you drew up your plan of absolute obedience. They followed through with their plan, and then followed your plan of obedience; just not as quickly as you would like.
Tough, positions reversed you would do the exact same thing, and when you can deny that truthfully I (and Russia) will listen and not before

>BTW how is the situation "far worse"... Russia is going to stay put? They already were.<

They were pulling out, now they are not. What happened in between? America happened.
You might not like it, you might not want to admit it, but that is the way it is and you cannot alter the order of events:
Russia was leaving Georgia.
America threw stuff at Georgia.
Russia stopped leaving Georgia.
2+2=Chair, you dig?

> Newb wrote:

> Communist regimes have been more destructive to humans than so-called "Christian" ones (which were quite horrible in themselves).
^ in answer to "So?".<

Is ACORN a burgeoning communist regime threatening the American right to declare oral sex and Cuban Cigars illegal? Sorry, but I don't see how Obama being pals with lefties is such a threat.

> Alan Statham wrote:

> Yes, that was what I told in the first post, but I thought it looked so odd. That's all. It looked to me as it was some ironic thingy..

While we're on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall<

*applause*
And people think a left-wing (read: classical) education is a bad thing... Suddenly I understand, very clearly, why you are a mod.

Yeah. The more I read it the more I realise how stupid it look,

"Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin."

I always thought that this was a positive statement, as though it is saying "if you are the kind of person who would stop a virgin from being raped then you are also the kind of person who would fight for peace".

1) Georgia attacked Ossetia.
2) Ossetia called Russia for help.
3) Russia helped.
4) Russia took a leaf from the Big Book of American Diplomacy and stomped on Georgia's.
5) Georgia cried, the world came running and shouted at Russia for doing what apparently is the right thing to do if you flag is made of red, white and blue.
6) The world orders Russia to go home.
7) Russia sulks.
8) Russia starts picking up its toys to go home.
9) America realises people are starting to see the hypocritical nature of the actions done by NATO and the US and makes the situation a million times worse in order to cause a distraction.
10) When this action also raises questions the Americans excuse is "They're not pulling out fast enough"
10a) America hopes nobody points at Iraq and says "You're not pulling out fast enough" in response.
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This confrontation is UNNECESSARY and INTENTIONAL.
The more it plays out the more it looks like America actually wants a CW2, or even a WW3, and that scares me.

>>They could reach Israel however.
And if Iran succeeds against Israel, then after moving there, they'd be a threat to Europe.
(which maybe isn't such a bad thing;))<<

Irrelevant:
If the security of Isreal was relevant to anybody the missile shield would be in Isreal.
If the threat posed by Iran was relevant to anybody the Missile Shield would have been built within reach of Iran.
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>>I see another good point of the shield. A missile shield can intercept accidentally fired ICBM's and therefore prevent MAD.<<

Accidentally fired ICBM?
I'm going to assume I don't need to point out the many things wrong with that, how impossible that is, but IF, IF, IF an ICBM were to be "accidentally" fired the ICBM would be blown up by the state in question because self-destruct buttons actually exist... sorry.

"So maybe a sollution in this conflict is to limmit the capacity of the shield to 5 or 10 permanently in exchange for russian assurance it will not attack any democracy again."

The solution is to shut up and shut down until someone can come up with a real reason for this thing to exist.
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Is it just me or are the people trying to justify this missile shield's existence starting to get desperate?

06:07:29

_Starting to reach the lanes now, the traffic is still fairly thin, but I don't think that will last for very long. I've been thinking about how common it is to see a Camaar ship this far from the rim, wondering if flying about in this thing could attract some unwanted attention or something like that.
  We've been stuck behind a big commercial transport for an hour now, one of the huge oil ones that refine the crude en-route. I'd tell the ship to overtake but we have a patrol ship behind us, a Quantum patrol ship, and I don't want to risk this thing "racing" again.
  We've just passed a small moon, the oil transport eclipsed the sun, sending it into darkness. Business must be good for the Revalons.

_Still stuck behind the oil transport, been six hours now, surely we should have hit a bigger lane by now? That patrol ship has been replaced with a Peregrine, a Revalon police vehicle. Getting a little paranoid now.

> TheYell wrote:

> The missile shield represents a threat to Russia, Russian defence, and Russian Offence (Or is America the only one allowed to make pre-emptive defensive attacks now?).

Yes. Yes we are.  We defensively attacked Russia by proposing a system outside Russian soil that will operate outside Russian soil.  What bastards we are.<

A system aimed at whom?

And then bomb them into the stone-age when they vote for a guy you don't like.

There are a few points that have caught my attention, points that nobody has addressed properly:

America "Russia has no authority or rights beyond its borders."
Russia "If you can then we can"

As long as America can be seen to be stomping accross the Middle East and throwing its shadow over places like Iran and North Korea any complaint anyone makes sounds hypocritical. Wether such complaints are hypocritical in reality is irrelevant.

America "Do as I say or I'll hurt you"
Russia "With what?"
A "Our mighty army"
R "You'll have to pull them out of Iraq first"
A "We don't need to, even a fraction of our army could crush all of yours"
R "Right, and I'm sure your nations mothers and fathers will love you for intentionally sending their kids on a suicide mission up the Neva. That is of course if we don't just nuke them the second we see them coming."
A "Then we'll just nuke you"
R "With the warheads you downgraded to 5 megatons, for the sake of the environment?"
A "Yup, less radiation and fallout so we can come in to finish the job, cut you up"
R "You do know our missiles come with 10 megaton warheads as standard, right? You do know we have at least twice the amount of missiles you have, right? You do know what that will do to your country, right?"
A "You'll be in the same boat"
R "No we won't, your missiles are small and clean, leaving miimal radiation. With our vast supply of minerals, ores and oil we'll be back on our feet so fast we'll be sending aid to the glowing leper colony that your country has become. Face it, we play your game better than you do, in spite of your economic superiority."
A "Oh yeah, well Jesus hates you!"