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Haha all electric range of a dozen miles or two. Useless garbage. Waste of money and the batteries are mega toxic pollution to the environment.
It's bad technology. GM's wasting money and a lot of it is taxpayer money (both invested in GM and subsidizing these crappy electric vehicles).
The technology isn't there. No company is helping their bottom line with this crap.
I'm more concerned that Canadian police would grab the behind of a woman with hairy legs. Think of what it says for the devolution of our species!
GM's stock price has to more than double before taxpayers can be payed back. Tax money is still invested in GM, and right now withdrawing that investment would come at a loss of many billions.
It's your right to vandalize anything you want. It should all be community owned, after all!
You have to include all assets, including credit limits, RisingDown. 
We mean soccer. As the world's richest nation and biggest reason English is used so much internationally (like right now), we get to name sports! 
I would say that "Euroweenies" like it, but surely someone would take it as a serious insult. Clearly, I have a problem with everyone who lives in Europe.
Maybe if I was sober and the door was slammed by a drunken child, we can work with that analogy.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/31324396/detail.html
"Only 10% of drugs cheats are being caught at the Olympics. former anti-doping chief Dick Pound told CNN on Wednesday."
"If you get caught you fail two tests, a drugs test and an IQ test."
The more I read about performance-enhancing drugs and how many people get away with using them, the more confident I am that I'm going to be an Olympian!
Woohoo! I've added to the content, Mr. Yell. It's time to celebrate! I was just being sarcastic before.
People had questioned my claims that China is more capable than freer nations of covering up doping, Poley. I merely substantiated my claims.
My last post was admittedly horribly off-topic.
"A few lives' imprisonment or death is nothing compared to the Chinese nation and Olympic team saving face."
This garbage has NOTHING to do with the Olympic team saving face by covering up doping!
"it's possible she's legitimate. I've simply given reasons why China's authoritarian regime and past actions make it suspect under these circumstances."
Again, totally off topic! In no way does this statement from my last off-topic post relate to circumstances making China's Olympic team suspect!
I did respond to silly questions regarding substantiating my claims, which were a premise for my conclusion that China is particularly suspect. But premises for my arguments are on-topic insofar as my arguments depend on them.
If I make arguments (which constitute the topic) based on premises and those premises are questioned, supporting them is very obviously relevant to the topic. I fail to see why this doesn't make sense to you.
As far as I'm concerned this thread is an obvious implied continuation of the previous one.
I don't have much more to say on the matter--maybe she's legit--but it should die naturally, not because some child with moderation authority decided 1 troll's post warranted closing it for being off-topic.
I was just raising questions. I explained why these questions were based in large part on China's authoritarian regime. That she had been training in Australia (and vanished for the past 6 months) doesn't magically negate all of my questions and put the thread's subject matter to rest.
Nor does 1 troll's post. Trolls' posts should be deleted. Other people's threads should not be closed. That doesn't even make any sense.
I'm confused. It looks like a butt-hurt 10 year old moderator edited my post out of ignorance.
"Commie" is not an insult, it's an slang term for communists and those with communist beliefs (regardless of whether or not they describe themselves with that label).
I can certainly appreciate that [poo] was edited, but I've been using it on occasion because other moderators had deemed it acceptable in the past. Consistency plz. Can we get one list of banned words?
Poley,
Training in Australia doesn't change the point I was making that authoritarian regimes like China have a far greater ability to cover up violations of Olympics rules than freer nations. As I said, maybe she's legit. But China's regime is why questions arise despite her never having failed a doping test.
One post from You_Fool trolling is off-topic and warrants closing a thread?
Nice moderation. Very mature.
America! [w00t] Yeah!
"Each must keep within the limits defined by the Constitution."
TEH LULZ.
If only any of our judges (including Supreme Court Justices) could read.
I'd never read Justice Harlan's dissent before. A good read.
And idiots say Obama is a good speaker. Compared to that Obama uses the language of a preschooler.
Wow. Just wow.
Hey [buddies], try to defend this [post]. It'll be funny to watch.
xeno syndicated,
Do you understand what would happen if a government decided to tax the shit out of rich people?
They'd all leave and that government would collect no additional taxes.
Ignoring basic logic and human psychology isn't an opinion, it's just ignorant and dumb. No country can soak the rich to afford lavish and wasteful programs. The more a country taxes, the more rich people leave. Every country that taxes the crap out of the rich has few and a low standard of living for all.
It was caused by Congress demanding banks make crappy loans and guaranteeing those loans and bailing out the banks when they inevitably failed as a result of those loans. People of various races don't have equal wealth and incomes, but Congress demanded that banks lend as if they did.
It was caused by investors not doing their homework and not realizing that banks had made a boatload of horrible loans at the behest of Congress.
It was caused by the fed making money (borrowing) [artificially] cheap. This contributed greatly to the massively inflated housing bubble by massively increasing demand. People were buying property with virtually no money down.
"It was the tendency for people to be frustrated in their pursuit to establish a stable home-life which caused it."
Based on what evidence? That some people are talentless idiots with rotten personalities and no moral values (aka, thieving trash incapable of normal social interactions) is not an indictment of a society.
"it was the tendency for more part-time, seasonal, or temporary contract work, or minimum wage work instead of full-time salaried jobs which caused it."
If you want to confuse a result with the problem because you don't understand the flow of time, sure.
"While upheaval in labor markets cause said frustrations in people's lifetsyles"
What upheaval? Literally everyone I know has been making ends meet by living within their means. It's not that hard. The vast majority of people in this country do it every day.
You're claiming that the cost of living for the average person caused the banking failures. But you're not providing a believable mechanic by which this supposedly happened. Housing prices were going up, but they weren't skyrocketing. And they were going up predictably. Nobody was hit with surprise property costs. Congress encouraged idiots to get houses they couldn't afford and demanded banks give out idiotic loans. Overlooking congressional action's role in the crisis in favor of pretending standard of living costs magically caused it is just ignorant.
"Bloomberg: 'Plain and simple,' Congress caused the mortgage crisis, not the banks"
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2011/11/3971362/bloomberg-plain-and-simple-congress-caused-mortgage-crisis-not-bank/
"While upheaval in labor markets cause said frustrations in people's lifetsyles, the rich went on a real-estate shopping spree, buying investment properties around the world with the expectation of productivity boom, buying it for appreciation, which exasperated the unaffordability of housing for actual productive people."
The rich don't try to flip real estate. It's a waste of their time. I'm getting confused as to why you're offering your opinion, because it sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Many middle class and upper-middle-class people invested in real estate. They did it because prices were rising. They increased demand, but they obviously weren't the sole cause. Few of them would have invested in real estate if prices weren't rising quickly to begin with.
"Had people had stable employment prospects, had university grads been able to get the jobs they had expected, had there been stability in labor markets...."
The problem stemmed from university graduates not training for fields that were hiring much? Idiot academics caused banks to fail? Gotcha. Sound logic.
"had the elite not recklessly fueled the housing bubble to take advantage of ridiculous profiteering off rent and capital gains from reselling it to a frustrated, vagabond workforce,"
Not much of it, if any, was done by anyone remotely close to being classified as "elite." You're wrong on the facts. The vast majority of the country is working, middle class, and not vagabonds. You're wrong on the facts.
"had corporations and governments practiced good old fashioned common sense and realised that PRODUCTIVE people needed to purchase said real-estate, not investors...."
Free markets, mate. Learn about them. Pros outweigh the cons. People end up getting what they want for less every time. Investors in real estate can't sell above market rates: Customers will buy from other real estate holders. That people invest in real estate doesn't magically balloon prices by itself.
"had everyone realised that productive people need JOBS in order to afford HOMES, the financial crisis would never have happened."
You're always ranting about some sort of middle-class-centric communistic ideal because you have no understanding of how capitalism benefits the middle class.
You rant about how massive taxation of wealth and incomes must occur before truly free markets, the ideal, can be achieved. Yet you ignore the fact that truly free markets result in wealth disparity because they reward the hardest working and the smartest more than the dumb and the lazy.
Free markets naturally result in wealth disparity and this is a good thing. Without unequal rewards for the most productive and innovative, production and innovation fall, prices rise, and standards of living fall. For everybody.
Wealth inequality is natural in free markets. And it's a good thing.
Your lack of understanding of capitalism doesn't equate with it causing the financial disaster.
My point, Zarf BeebleBrix, is that there's nothing stopping the Chinese government from engaging in genocide as it sees fit. There is no check on its power. It's free to commit genocide if it finds it appropriate.
Needless to say, it wouldn't hesitate to do whatever was necessary to shut up anyone with knowledge of steroids. A few lives' imprisonment or death is nothing compared to the Chinese nation and Olympic team saving face. And absolutely nothing compels the Chinese government or its ruling Communist Party to admit having done anything or tell anybody about it.
As I said in the OP, it's possible she's legitimate. I've simply given reasons why China's authoritarian regime and past actions make it suspect under these circumstances.
We could easily blame the ruling aristocrats of the USA (which include Bush the younger) for Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. What do you know, the meddling that happened in Vietnam was, in fact, an indicator of aggression to come. Thanks for backing up the notion that past actions show values and can often predict future actions.
You've disputed absolutely nothing I said, You_Fool. That the Chinese government hasn't been quite as atrocious to its own people (maybe they just learned to shut up) for a few years in no way contradicts a single thing I said. The Chinese government still has every right and ability to silence any of its people however it judges fit. It can't violate their legal rights because their legal rights are whatever it says they are.
This is in contrast with freer nations like the United States.
Your pointing out that China has been a little better at not running over unarmed civilians of late (or better at covering up such instances) isn't even a logical argument against my position that the Chinese government (as all authoritarian regimes do) has a far greater ability to stifle any investigation into violations of the requirements of the Olympics.
You're ad-hominem attacking me not in addition to a real argument, but in place of one. I can understand both. I'm a man; I won't cry like you are. But to cry without even making an argument is just silly.
Is Not The Law
Can I buy you some literature on history?
It's not a contentious issue. Your willful ignorance does not place a burden on me to cite sources for well-established facts. There's no more inherent burden on me to cite sources for the PRC's murder of tens of millions than there is for me to cite dictionary definitions for every word in my posts.
You can google it.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=prc%20geno&pq=prc%20genocide&cp=10&gs_id=2w&xhr=t&q=china+genocide&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=china+geno&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b752d12a099bb300&biw=1440&bih=775
And that's only references to China's killing as "genocide." Many prefer to pretend the tens of millions of deaths were incidental. Little "oops." moments. Well, okay: Kinda big "oops" moments by any measure.
Or you could check out some wikipedia on mass killings under communist regimes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes#People.27s_Republic_of_China
I'll bet you could even finds books solely on the topic.
http://books.google.com/books/about/China_s_Bloody_Century.html?id=4FXn22NKptcC
http://books.google.com/books?id=LQfeXVU_EvgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=china+genocide&source=bl&ots=zZMLCttHHl&sig=G-KmiuX9TnOlHqBg9tmJCVspggQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=v3MZUPL-A8fL6wHhzYH4Bg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=china&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=rgGA91skoP4C&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=china+genocide&source=bl&ots=S8jeBU2Qtx&sig=i2ns8d5DfyTc0Wa_ehzs7bw_aLY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=v3MZUPL-A8fL6wHhzYH4Bg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=china%20genocide&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=BqdVudSuTRIC&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=china+genocide&source=bl&ots=FHeiy0c4o7&sig=U0YuTiCKL65cm7o0kuVgtx6G1bI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=v3MZUPL-A8fL6wHhzYH4Bg&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=china%20genocide&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ujTR1R36Y04C&printsec=frontcover&dq=china+genocide&source=bl&ots=CP4Q9fAVll&sig=sdZDxCTSXCWv0oeIUwAocphbscA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=v3MZUPL-A8fL6wHhzYH4Bg&ved=0CGIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=china%20genocide&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=B38vOEXBYeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=china+genocide&source=bl&ots=nVfCYDtC49&sig=fTou8vxKL6sojTNiVW35WNmpBzI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=v3MZUPL-A8fL6wHhzYH4Bg&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=china%20genocide&f=false
And let's throw in a little bit about violation of human rights.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jIxCUXI38zcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=china+genocide&source=bl&ots=Oqqvt9H_fk&sig=RvB--g1bcdLUcbWoHO10_iD0XiU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=InQZULTaL5Ks0AHYqoGwAQ&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=china%20genocide&f=false
Hey, I'll bet there are news stories about China violating human rights all over the place.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/south-korea-backing-human-rights-activist-who-claims-he-was-tortured-in-china/2012/07/31/gJQAUqU1NX_story.html
http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/08/01/us-hearing-blasts-working-conditions-in-china/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-says-china-human-rights-deteriorating-urges-beijing-to-allow-dissent/2012/07/25/gJQAaBvE9W_story.html
http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/international/2743-chinas-repression-causing-tibet-self-immolations-us-rights-report
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/us-officials-lament-deteriorating-human-rights-in-china/story-e6frg6so-1226435488616
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/human-rights/240153-us-human-rights-situation-in-china-continues-to-deteriorate
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-07/28/content_15626509.htm
"The Chinese people are best qualified to judge China's human rights situation,"-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei.
It's funny because they can't talk about their judgements! See the links above. I can find a lot more if you're not satisfied.
"He added that China has witnessed fast economic growth, continuous improvement of people's livelihood and unprecedented rights and basic freedom for citizens since its reform and opening up."
This is just sadly misleading. The Chinese people don't have "rights" and "freedoms," they have privileges. The Chinese government has no legal restrictions preventing them from rescinding these privileges at any time.
I'll bet I could find more. These are all only very recent stories. I'll bet if I go back far enough I can find absurd stories about the Chinese military running over unarmed protesters with tanks!
http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/china-sends-two-to-labor-camp-for-marching-in-hong-kong/
http://www.policymic.com/articles/11290/china-human-rights-crackdown-on-environmental-protests-along-class-lines
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=22158&icid=4&d_str=
"US Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner said he had raised at least two dozen specific cases with his Chinese counterparts."
"American officials voiced concern about the lack of access to legal counsel for detained activists, and called on Beijing to release many detained lawyers and democracy activists, including Nobel laureate Liu Xiaobo."
http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2012/07/25/47-Drug-detention-centers-offer-torture-not-treatment-Human-Rights-Watch-study.html
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2012/07/137_116018.html
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1636916
OMG WTF BBQ Torture too!? NO WAI
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=134294&code=Ne2&category=2
I could do this all day. And these are just from the past few days/weeks. They're much worse in previous months/years/decades.
It takes time for some information to escape places with no free speech and no free media. It's conceivable that such a place could cover up grievous crimes altogether. I'm sure you're right. I'm sure they could never do that. It's not like this text is in the middle of a post with an abundance of links to all kinds of information suggesting that they've tried to in the past and more than likely succeeded at least some of the time.
The Communist Party has supreme control of the People's Republic of China. If they will it, it's the law of the land. Nobody is entitled to a vote on any issue. No legal authority can challenge their will.
You're implying I'm incorrect on this obvious fact. Feel free to make that argument. Citations would be appreciated.
It's cute to juvenilely demand sources for common knowledge, but it's not flattering to anyone's intellect or education. The news stories above are all from the past few days/weeks. Needless to say, they continue into the past unbroken (often far more horrendous) since the creation of the PRC.
This is just stupid. If you want to argue that I'm wrong, do it and do it directly. Don't hide behind amateur implications that I'm not being academic enough for your refined intellect and education. If you dispute anything I've claimed, have the nerve to do so. Don't troll and demand I establish the obvious with sources while gutlessly disputing nothing I've said.
If you seriously have no knowledge of the PRC's murder of tens of millions, maybe you should learn more about it and post less about it until you do. Just a thought.
I'm sorry I missed the part where anyone provided any evidence of limitations on the Chinese government preventing it from doing anything it wanted. We all know that no such limitations exist. They got away with killing many tens of millions of people because there are no such limitations.
Pretending that there are is either trolling or ridiculously ignorant. How someone could be so cocky that they'd ignorantly post as if China's government isn't authoritarian is beyond me. I gave everyone the benefit of the doubt.
No I'm just making it up. China's not an authoritarian regime. They don't lock people up and execute them for speech. And you're not trolling with the ridiculous implication that China's government has any limitations to its authority over its people.
You can't really be off-topic in a xeno thread, dpenguins. He refuses to actually talk about the supposed subject. The subject is whatever we make it, because we're the only people actually talking about anything.
We're on page FIVE and he hasn't even made an argument for why poor people should have more children and rich people should have less children... in a thread very clearly proposing this. He hasn't even made an argument.
xeno syndicated,
You know nothing about the benefits of currency. You know nothing about capitalism. In my humble opinion, it's pretty disrespectful of you to post all of this spam to the forum when you openly admit you know nothing about the subject, as is apparent in your refusal to answer simple, basic inquiries about your proposals.
[TI] Primo,
Does the fact that Americans have doped negate the fact that the Chinese make investigating the matter impossible, whereas America does not? Or the fact that China is a a prime developer of new steroids?
Nope.
Schniepel,
Does Lithuania reserve the right to imprison and kill people (and their families) who might give the wrong answers when questioned in investigation of these matters?
Nope.
I'm simply raising the question. There are differences between China and Lithuania and the time improvements of their swimmers. There are differences between these nations' power to conceal illegal activity and avoid hinder investigation. There are differences in these nations' development of new and harder-to-detect steroids (which aren't being looked for yet).
That you're jealous of America doesn't touch on any of these points or negate them in any way.
"The US had its part in both wars."
Didn't initiate either; neither happened here. I was pointing out that your supposedly civil societies in which people will never have need of arms had very great need rather recently.
"hall we talk about the genocide on the american natives (e. g. trail of tears) ?"
Wasn't the "modern age," but it only backs up my point that the need to defend happens.
"Perhaps we may discuss the civil casualties in Vietnam?"
Only backs up my point that the need to defend happens.
"The US interpretation of "rights" fit only for US citizens. If it comes to really transfer those "rights" to other people in the world the US always failed. Latest examples are Afganistan and Iraq. Remember e. g. Abu Ghraib?"
Yeah it's hard to teach barbarians used to warlords, authoritarian regimes, and oppression about democratic ideals and how they protect people from exploitation and oppression. We never should have tried. In any event, attempts to compare Aby Ghraib to the Holocaust are just idiotic.
"Sure we had an autocrat come to power through democratic processes and go on a genocidal killing spree killing millions of civilians and killing many tens of millions. But you had a few terrorist suspects put in a naked pyramid!" Yeah, nice argument. Your point that they're comparable is well taken. Hahahahaha.
It looks like you went off on an America-hating tangent and unintentionally backed up what I've been saying.
You have no idea what's happened/happening, so how do you make that comparison?
What happened would already be greatly--if not entirely--recovered from if not for our electing morons who have prolonged it and given us the slowest recovery ever (or delayed recovery entirely).
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