876

(20 replies, posted in Politics)

> Wild Flower Soul wrote:

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No, the call for help didn't reach Western Europe in time. The crusaders only heard about that when they were already assembling forces. Also the pope called for reclaiming the holy land before he had received the message from the Byzantine empire.>

If true, then I concede you're partially right. It would mean that retaking the holy land was the initial objective, but that aiding the Byzantine Empire later became a second, short-lived objective.

877

(20 replies, posted in Politics)

WFS,

Yes. I implied the population boom in my OP, and expanded on it in my second post. I'm not disagreeing that it was a major motivating factor, nor that there were other solutions for the surplus population. But the Byzantine Emperor's call for help started the First Crusade, and the armies of the first crusaders were initially cooperating with the Byzantines to retake lost Byzantine territory. The fact that they arrived too late is irrelevant. It's the fact that they cooperated and initially agreed to aid the Byzantines to retake Anatolia that matters. It was after cooperation broke down that they changed their objectives.

878

(25 replies, posted in Politics)

It's not a semantics game. It would be a semantics game if I substituted Democracy with Republic.

879

(25 replies, posted in Politics)

> East wrote:

> It'll cost a fair dime, but if things work out all right and we end up with a stable plutocratic regime then it will have been well worth it. Also a military costs a lot in general whether it is being used or not, for example there have to be regular live ammo exercises so you may as well put the ammunition to good use when it is being fired."

Edited for accuracy.

880

(20 replies, posted in Politics)

Lets put things in perspective here regarding technology here.

It is true that the Byzantines and Muslim realms were generally technologically more advanced than Western Europe at the time of the First Crusade. Both cultural spheres produced remarkable intellectual achievements, and had well developed commerce. They also had more centralized administrations, could more efficiently levy taxes, and raise larger armies. By contrast, Western Europe developed a martial nobility, who received land and serfs in exchange for services to their lords. The wealth of these realms were heavily invested in to the weapons, armor, and training of this martial class. Therefore, Western Europe had a very small, yet elite group of full-time soldiers. It should be noted that this social organization was most prevalent in France and the Holy Roman Empire, and a martial nobility in some areas like Anglo-Saxon England were less important. Moreover, the French and Holy Roman Empire still conscripted peasants in to their armies, but emphasis in battle was placed on the knights.

In the 1000s, Western Europe experienced rapid population growth. By the time of the First Crusade in 1096, the economy was unable to keep up with population growth. This did not just affect the peasantry. Because of primogeniture, many nobles who were not first or second sons were unable to earn a living to sustain the aristocratic way of life they felt entitled to. Many of these knights subsequently turned to terrorizing the population, and the First Crusade provided a win-win solution for the disenfranchised nobility and the political elite. The disenfranchised nobility was provided an opportunity to enrich themselves, and the political elite got rid of them. They not only got rid of the disenfranchised nobility, but a lot of the peasants who went with them too.

Another key piece of information here is the characteristics common to the nobles that went on the First Crusade. They were disenfranchised sons, and many of them turned to crime. Though the European nobility was unsophisticated compared to their Muslims and Byzantine counterparts, the nobles who participated in the First Crusade in particular were even less so. The nobles who enjoyed higher status and had no incentive to participate in the crusade at least had some grasp of politics, strategy, and personal restraint.

Though both the Byzantines and Muslims employed heavy infantry and cavalry in their armies, both army organizations, especially the Muslims armies, centered on light troops. First, the Muslim realms were situated in a geography with a considerable amount of open spaces. Secondly, the Middle East had limited iron reserves, which would have had to be acquired in areas such Anatolia, Africa, Europe or India. As such, a reliance on mobile, light troops were typically more appropriate for Muslim armies. And since they had a developed system of commerce and a large population, they could afford larger armies.

By contrast with the military organization of Muslim states, heavy weaponry and armor were more abundant and practical in Europe. Though heavy weapons and armor were extremely expensive in Europe, the natural reserves of iron and economic/social organization of Western Europe enabled the small martial nobility to afford them. No, they were not 15th century knights equipped in full plate armor, but the equipment and training of 11th-12th century knights ranked them as among the most elite combatants in the world at the time.

In the First Crusade, there were a lot of disenfranchised knights who were eager to participate in the crusade. Thus, the crusader army consisted of a large number of heavily armed infantry and cavalry. Though many of them could not afford a horse or the best equipment, as a whole they were better equipped than their Muslim counterparts. With their better equipment and ability to launch heavy cavalry strikes, they inflicted heavy defeats on Muslim armies. In fact, the knight's equipment forced the Muslims to later adapt their armies to include more heavy troops specifically to fight the crusader states. Moreover, Muslim armies later learned to avoid confronting a large force of crusader knights, and instead harass them. Many times, the hotheadedness of the knights caused them to expose themselves as easier targets from the harassment provided by the lighter armed Muslims.

In battle, crusader knights were very effective against Muslim armies. The failure of the knights to maintain control of the crusader states was due to their own failings in diplomacy, tactics and strategy. Sorry, but sending your whole army in to the desert to chase Saladin without sufficient water provisions is beyond stupid. Not only did they error in that example, but their errors were so numerous it is a miracle they survived as long as they did and were as effective as they were. Not only that, but they betrayed their own Byzantine allies. They looted the Empire's territory when marching through it, back stabbed the Empire's army by deciding they wanted to monopolize the credit for conquering Egypt, and at one time they invaded the Byzantine territory of Cyprus, plundered its wealth, and imprisoned members of the Emperor's family who governed it! In short, they were typically more interested in their petty squabbles, personal glory, and personal wealth that they failed to consider the long-term consequences of their actions enough to spell their own ruin. Had they been disciplined and willing to cooperate with the Byzantines and their other allies, history in the Middle East would have turned out very differently.

881

(20 replies, posted in Politics)

Many people believe that the Crusades were motivated by religion. This is actually false, and I am going to provide you with the actual motivations in a brief summary.

Basically there were three factors:

1. Too many nobles in France and the HRE with nothing to do.
2. Pope Urban II was a ruthless and power hungry mofo.
3. The Byzantine Emperor was frustrated by his losses in Anatolia.

So while the Byzantine Emperor was getting pwned by the Turks in Anatolia, he came up with the brilliant idea of asking the Pope for help. In turn, he promised his empire would make religious accommodations with the pope.

Pope Urban II riled up crowds and calls for a crusade. Since there were plenty of knights with nothing to do in France and the HRE, an army consisting of a horde of peasants and a sizable number of knights was assembled.

The army arrives in Constantinople, and the Emperor is like "Holy crap..." Needless to say, the two sides did not get along from the get go. The crusaders did not approve of the "decadence" of the Byzantine Empire, going to such lengths that they complained that the Byzantines used forks and... bathed!

After being ferried to Anatolia and before the fighting began, the Byzantines and Crusaders learned they differed in how to wage war. The crusaders thought it was appropriate to exterminate and loot cities. The Byzantines preferred to occupy them. So at the battle of Nicaea, as the crusader army was laying siege, the Byzantine Emperor came up with another brilliant idea. "Surrender to me. Or would you rather they flood your city?" And so Nicaea surrendered to the Byzantine Empire, and the crusaders were forbidden to pillage or loot. This further broke down cooperation between the two sides, resulting with the crusaders marching on their own towards Jerusalem. On their march to Jerusalem, the army split in to two separate forces between the peasants and knights. By the time they wasted great effort on useless sieges and sacked Jerusalem, the peasants were pwned and only a small fraction of the knights were still alive.

In the end, the crusaders established the crusader states. Meanwhile, the Byzantine Emperor was relieved the crusaders were no longer causing him headaches, and that they served their purpose of easing the pressure from the Turks. Though they continued to cooperate, there remained deep seated hatred between the two sides.

But then...

Since the rulers of the crusader states failed at diplomacy and military strategy, they were pwned by inferior Muslim forces many decades later. And reclaiming the territories lost from the First Crusade was a major motivation for the subsequent Crusades in the Middle East. Moreover, cooperation became difficult between the Latin and Eastern Christians due to bad blood during and after the First Crusade.

So you as you can see. Religion did not start the Crusades in the Middle East. In fact, it had nothing to do with it. It was started by political maneuvers that were conveniently justified by religion, plain and simple. Politics as usual.

882

(25 replies, posted in Politics)

Qaddafi's ruthless actions are unimpressive compared to other countries around the world. The only reason that Britain and France are intervening here is because of oil and refugees.

883

(68 replies, posted in Politics)

Key,

Hello there. I didn't include you because I'm convinced that you are an alt of V.Kemp, or possible someone else. lol. Because whenever you appear, so does this other person.

884

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

WFS,

WTF? We have been a plutocracy since the American Revolution. The only difference between now and previous decades is that we have had decades where the plutocrats had a sense of stewardship. Now they are clearly short-sighted fools.

885

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Yell,

Even more radical aye? Don't even want to fund any health care.

What about the increase in poverty, lower productivity and demand for police officers? Are you seriously so short sighted?

886

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Social conservatives just don't want young people having s-x. Rather than care about the money saved from a loss of productivity and poverty, they will do whatever they can do make others suffer just because of their asinine religious beliefs.

887

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Fair enough. But this project in particular has a return on investment that is huge, and it is dirt cheap. Imagine the money saved from loss of productivity and poverty.

888

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Then why did practically all the Republican party/tea baggers vote in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood in the house? And their reason? Because they provide abortions. It had nothing to do wasteful spending. They could have focused elsewhere rather than a puny $300 million that provides essential services to students and the poor.

889

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

On one hand you have the Democratic party. The part of inefficiency, waste, and entitlement. Then you have the Republican party who is now getting serious about socially conservative issues. Before they used to just throw a bone to the religious right, now I fear the tea baggers are truly dedicated to social conservative ideals. Not only that, they are free-market fundamentalists. Oh, I believe the democrats are overboard on regulation, but the idea that the free market will correct every social ill and externalities do not exist is ludicrous.

Is my fear about conservatives getting serious about social conservative issues founded? Or are they just throwing bones again and I am overreacting?

890

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

I can understand being charged with business misconduct. But that woman, wtf? If that counts as prostitution, then spending to impress a date with the hope of getting laid also counts as prostitution. How many guys flaunt their wealth around to woo women? It is unprecedented to charge a person for that kind of "prostitution," and that is effectively what Berlusconi did. There is the detail of her being 17, and that is debatable, but the prostitution charge should be thrown out.

891

(52 replies, posted in Politics)

What has happened to the good old days of:

1. Justinian I/Theodora sending an army in to the Hippodrome to exterminate 40,000 rebellious people?
2. Napoleon shooting a cannon in to a Parisan crowd.

These days, dictators have a lot more tools at their disposal than the ancient and medieval monarchs, yet they are wimps when compared to them. Those monarchs did not put up with nonsense, yet they accomplished what Mubarek can not with swords and clubs. Seriously, wtf?

892

(38 replies, posted in Politics)

I find it interesting that Key returned in conjunction with Flint.

893

(28 replies, posted in Community)

In 12 years, IC will be active again.

Congrats Torq smile

894

(15 replies, posted in Politics)

Yell,

What are you talking about?

Whose money is taxed as it accumulates?

895

(15 replies, posted in Politics)

Zarf,

Are you being sarcastic?

Anyhow, I should mention that I did not represent a family of $5 million well before someone decides to miss the point and beat the scarecrow. By 2009 levels, they would have had a taxable income of $1.5 million, and have had to pay $675,000 at an estate tax of 45%. Small time millionaires would have been less affected by 2009 levels, and the Obama administration wants to raise the estate tax ceiling to $3.5 million.

My point was that smaller millionaires effectively pay a greater percentage of estate taxes than do elites. The elites can dispose of immense amounts of wealth to hire teams of professional accountants and set up schemes that allow them to reduce their estate tax to negligible amounts. What this does is concentrate wealth because the elite are effectively not affected by the estate tax, but the lesser rich easily pay 1/4 of their net worth to the government.

896

(15 replies, posted in Politics)

Here's a website that details how the Walton family avoided paying any significant amount of estate taxes, and how other estates can also take advantage of similar options.

http://investor.financialcounsel.com/Articles/EstatePlanning/ARTEST0000117-FLPvsLLC.asp

897

(15 replies, posted in Politics)

Godwin's Law,

At least 90% of them. Wouldn't say dodged, but they paid at most 10%. But since you want an example, Paris Hilton.

The problem is that when you tax those who own hundreds of millions and billions in assets, you cause a negative ripple effect in the economy. Imagine Bill Gates' estate paying $15-25 billion. A sudden liquidation of his assets would be catastrophic. You could charge the estate gradually, but I have practical doubts that incremental payments could be paid off within a reasonable time frame in one generation and without harming the economy.

898

(15 replies, posted in Politics)

The basic argument in favor of estate/inheritance taxes is that it recycles wealth. That wealth is then reinvested in to new projects developed by new and ambitious individuals. This keeps the wealth circulating and minimizes the presence of a useless aristocracy.

This argument sounds great at the surface, but in truth it concentrates wealth. In America, anyway, the elite do not have to worry about the estate taxes because they can afford the accounting teams to avoid paying it. The most they are going to pay is 10%. And by elite, I mean people who own $100 million in assets or more.

On the other hand, a person (family most likely) that owns $5 million in assets, such as a farm or small business, will be ruined by the estate taxes. To come up with $2.5 million means they must sell their assets, and most likely means losing their business.

And even if the elite actually sold half their assets to pay the estate taxes, they would most likely not be personally ruined and more easily able to recover the money lost. Losing $50 million and having $50 million left leaves you in a far better position to recover your wealth than does losing $2.5 million and having $2.5 million left, especially if there are several heirs.

Whether the elite pay the estate taxes or not, which they manage to get at a substantially reduced rate, means that the lower rich are hurt badly and the elite are only marginally harmed. Wealth effectively gets concentrated in the hands of the few. The very class that could provide competition to the elite is deprived of the opportunity to do so.

Now, the argument could be made that there should be more tax brackets. For example, a person with $5 million in assets would pay less than someone with $100 million in assets. This idea is still foolish, because the economy would be negatively impacted by members of the elite suddenly liquidizing those assets. Imagine an industrialist suddenly liquidizing $25 billion to pay estate taxes. That would have a bad bad ripple effect in the economy.

Since estate and inheritance taxes are only able to concentrate wealth, rather than recycle it, I say it is best not to have such a tax.

899

(18 replies, posted in Community)

Bullet,

I don't know. Actually, there were very few truly athletic people in the class and I never had the opportunity to check their body fat percentage. I was using athletic liberally to include the capable people.

Edirol,

It wasn't underwater. But to give you an idea of my height and weight, to roughly estimate its offness, I am 5'7 and 128 lbs.

As for being an athlete myself, I could barely bench press half my weight...

900

(18 replies, posted in Community)

So, in my gym class, I have new bragging rights. Based on the machine to calculate body fat, I have the lowest body fat percentage of anyone in the class. 9%. And what's more, I did not try at all for that low body fat percentage. In fact, I live a sedentary lifestyle centered on video games.

Most students had around 20% body fat, and that included the athletic ones.

Eat it obese America!