851

(12 replies, posted in Politics)

The only example of the theorem I could provide is the theorem's proof, which you can find yourself. But what is important is the conclusion of the theorem I mentioned. A mathematical system can not be both consistent and complete, and thus you can not have a single system capable of proving everything. In other words, it's impossible to find a foundation for mathematics. It would be nice if you could, because then you would have the necessary inputs to answer any question you had. But with that possibility proven impossible, you can not just go ahead and use maths to justify a dogmatic certainty in a scientific theory that is hundreds or thousands of steps ahead of empirical research.

852

(12 replies, posted in Politics)

Mathematics is given an absolutist status not unlike that given to scripture by religious followers. Yet mathematics, like scripture, does not deserve this status. The major reason is that one of Godel's incompleteness theorems prove the impossibility of having a mathematical system that is both consistent and complete. This means that a consistent system in maths, meaning its axioms do not prove a contradiction, will also have "true" statements that are unprovable - thus another system must be added to prove them.

The implications of this are profound. First, a foundation for mathematics is impossible because it is impossible to use a single mathematical system to prove every "true" mathematical statement. Thus, several systems must be used to prove every mathematical statement, yet two systems can not be merged together for completeness without also proving a contradiction. Consequently, it is futile to claim that our present understanding of mathematics can prove everything about the world. I say this because maths has an undeserved status not just among common people, but also among people who should know better such as mathematicians and physicists. Physicists also come off as being the most dogmatic members of the scientific community with an almost religious devotion to their theories based almost entirely on mathematics, while other scientific fields that depend on more empirical research are much more humble about the limits of their theories.

853

(19 replies, posted in Politics)

Although I am not certain, it sounds like hospitals are subject to the principle of economies of scale. Sometimes "perfect competition" is simply not the most efficient, Flint. Especially in the case when it is cost prohibitive for a new supplier to enter the market, and/or where one or a few giant firms already own the essential infrastructure (provided that infrastructure is expensive) to service the public. In such cases, the government enforces price ceilings to increase efficiency. Considering that companies want to maximize their profits, and that competition does not compel a monopoly or oligopoly to drop their prices, price ceilings force the said companies to improve their efficiency to increase their profits.

As for hospitals, I think the case for economies of scale is strongly established with the high cost of certain equipment. However, our health care system is broken and inefficient beyond repair. It needs full structural reform. Obama Care is a laughable attempt to treat the branches of the tree, but the fact is the tree is sick at the roots. It needs to be cut down.

854

(48 replies, posted in Politics)

Render,

The solution is not "real democracy." Nor is it exterminating the elite. Every time these things happened, it resulted in a disaster. A real solution is to realize the values of the rule of law, a balance of power and compromise. Moreover, deposing King Carlos I makes you look like a lunatic. He has done a lot of good things, is popular around the world, and in fact willingly reduced himself to a constitutional monarch.

855

(48 replies, posted in Politics)

Why not temporarily restore power to the monarchy? King Juan Carlos I can be trusted to hand over power again after a time sufficient to reorganize the state's political apparatus.

856

(48 replies, posted in Politics)

Spain's socialist party has hegemony, and the country is suffering from 20% unemployment.

857

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

Fool,

Ok, thanks for clarifying. The part I want to point out is that I agree with the majority of your points, but I'm not convinced they defend relativism. I acknowledge that evidence can be consistent with multiple theories, and therefore one model can be equally justified as another. In fact, I am willing to take this a step further by stating there are an infinite number of theories that are consistent with every unquestioned scientific theory, and only the values of science including parsimony, coherence with related theories, and popularity narrow them to fewer possibilities.

To the contrary, I reckon they defend the falsification interpretation of science. The view lacks the dogmatism of previous scientific philosophy, and instead demands that scientific theories be falsifiable. That is, they can be tested for inconsistency with evidence. Moreover, this interpretation does not imply that other methods of gaining knowledge are incorrect, but that there are practical reasons for favoring the scientific model over others.

Although this view may seem relativistic, it is in fact more consistent with skepticism. According to skepticism, we can not verify if a theory is true or false, but that does not mean it isn't. Rather, the suspension of judgement is concluded. In a sense, the current evolution of the falsification interpretation has resulted in a marriage between skepticism and empiricism. As for relativism, skepticism would assign it a dogmatic status. Although relativism often employs skeptical arguments, it is often missed that skepticism is a double edged sword for relativism.

858

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

Fool,

There are some key parts that you were not sufficiently clear on. But I gather you meant that:

1. While the definition I provided for relativism is consistent with it, the definition represents an extreme view that most relativists would not subscribe to.
2. Most relativists trust the scientific method.
3. There are some subjects the scientific method can not as easily study, so there will be differences in opinion based on the varied experiences of those theorizing. This results in competing theories, and the dialogue between these competing camps leads us closer to the truth.

Is that what you are saying?

859

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

Relativism effectively states that truth depends on belief. Stated differently, what you believe to be true is true, and what someone else believes to be true is also true. Therefore, if you believe you can fly, then it is true you can fly.

860

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

Relativism is presently a theory that is a mainstream favorite. Its adherents are mostly youth and young college students with a false sense of superior intellect and authenticity. Unfortunately for their adherents, at least 95% of the academic class considers it nonsense. The reason for this is that relativism is proven false with very little intellectual effort.

Simply, it is inconsistent with both logic and experience.

Logically:
Both person x and y could assent to competing theories that contradict one another, and relativism necessitates that both theories are true. However, this leads to a contradiction. As person(x) assents to model(p) and person(y) assents to model(q), relativism concludes that both p and not p are true. Therefore, relativism leads to a contradiction and is therefore logically inconsistent.

Experience:
According to relativism, if person x is assents to the belief he can fly without the aid of aerial technology, then it is implied that he can. However, if he attempted to jump off of a cliff to prove his ability to fly, then he would fall rather than fly. As such, at the very least, our choice of belief is not necessarily consistent with experience. And if there is a relativist here who wishes to challenge my prediction, I invite you to jump off a cliff of the Grand Canyon with a number of us to witness it.

Case closed.

861

(2 replies, posted in Politics)

Two,

I am not defending the truth of one religion over another. I am arguing that one branch of a religion is much less benign than other mainstream alternatives, and I disapprove of the fact that a member of a more malicious branch is occupying a very powerful religious/political office due to presidential appointment. Second, this fact provides me cause to be suspicious about Obama's own religious convictions, and less inclined to dismiss his relationship with Reverend Wright as an artifact of his confused past.

862

(2 replies, posted in Politics)

Under George Bush, the Executive Office of Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships was established. In Obama's case, he never abolished it. Instead he appointed Joshua Dubois for the office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_DuBois . Now, keeping the office is one thing, but it's entirely another to appoint a Pentecostal, let alone a Pentecostal of a church dedicated to black people. For those of you who are unaware of Pentecostal dogma, they are a branch of Christianity placing emphasis on spiritual experiences and spiritual gifts. Moreover, they revere charisma as a spiritual gift, hence its branch called Charismatic Christianity. Consequently, their preachers are often revered as messengers of God, substitute church and worship with rock concerts, preach the prosperity gospel, place emphasis on speaking in tongues, make outrageous claims of visiting a preacher for healing, and may think people who are having convulsions on the floor are communicating with God.

Joshua Dubois' appointment makes me question Obama's position on faith. I can hope he is a rational person, but this appointment raises suspicions as to whether he has really distanced himself from the likes of Reverend Wright.

863

(59 replies, posted in Politics)

> [Render] wrote:

demogtaphivc what?? you are very very mistaken dude, are you americans able to sleep 40 peoplee in a 40m2 room???
well

chineses can doit, they are used to do it, and they have 0 problems with population,

they use thge advantange of confusion because when you see one you cannot discern if he's the one you saw yesterdsy ::/
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In a few decades, China will have too many old people to support, and fewer young people to replace the jobs the older generation once had. Moreover, because male children are preferred, they have a gender imbalance that is only getting worse. Both are caused by the one child policy.

The one thing that concerns me is the gender imbalance. Societies with a gender imbalance resulting in too few women have resulted with a large male population with nothing better to do but stir up trouble with war and the oppression of women.

864

(59 replies, posted in Politics)

China will not likely become number one because they have serious demographic problems to keep them down, and they will only get worse over time. Second, they don't have a lot of natural resources like the United States does. Although, I won't rule out the possibility completely, because the one thing the US government is known for is making poor policy decisions.

This does not mean the US won't be overtaken, but the country to do so is more likely to be Russia or India than it is China. As for how Americans will take it should such a scenario play out, I think it would be similar to how the Brits responded when their Empire crumbled.

865

(28 replies, posted in Politics)

So does this mean we can welcome Alberta in to the US and get their oil yet?

866

(85 replies, posted in Politics)

Pakistan has been an unreliable ally by playing both sides. On one hand they help the US with some intelligence and military assistance, because they benefit from a relationship with the US and by minimizing the presence of capable extremists in relevant areas. On the other hand, they have a massive youth bulge, and are fully aware of the popularity of extremism among their people and minor officials.

867

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

Yell,

Any disrespect Obama receives is a good thing.

868

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

MSN,

Half? More like 18% without deductions. Less than 5% with deductions and planned accounting.

869

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

two,

I don't care that the top 1% owns 25% of the wealth. But I do care that the top one tenth of a percent are obscenely rich and control our government.

870

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

The problem is that the super rich, or one tenth of a percent, have never paid their fair share of taxes. You know there is something wrong when the heirs of Sam Walton and their ilk pay next to nothing in estate taxes, and the democrats cry and moan because the lower rich do not want to pay 50% beyond $1 million.

There is also something wrong when the top 5% make less than 1 million dollars, and the super rich talk about taxing them. Lol. Know why they say that? Because they want to eliminate competition from the little people.

871

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

Zarf,

I am still not convinced.

1. Who cares if people, even if a majority, disapprove of his rule? It's not our responsibility to deploy our forces to remove unpopular dictators. It would bankrupt us.
2. Barring the entry of western journalists is irrelevant. As for his acts of terrorism in the past, that is a half-truth. The early period of his rule was characterized by an active anti-western policy that included terrorism, but he eventually learned that messing with the west is a bad idea and instead established strong business relationships with them.
3. That is also a half-truth. This case for international agreement provided by both the UN and Arab League is merely an example of minority rule from the moral high ground. Considering the half-ditched efforts by Turkey and its strict "no fly zone" interpretation, and the absentee votes by the world's major powers, I am convinced this appearance of "international agreement" is nothing short of moral coercion.
4. Of course it is. So why are we contributing to it? Let Ghadaffi crush the rebels and restore order. By aiding the rebels, we only add to the problem by emboldening the sexually frustrated, male youth in other mid-eastern states.

872

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

So, we should take out Ghadaffi because:

1. His style of rule violates our western ideals.
2. He has committed terrorism in the past.

Really now? First, 1 is an intellectually deficient reason to invade a country. There are dictators in less relevant countries much more ruthless than Ghadaffi is. And if we were to apply this principle everywhere, we would be bankrupt. The second reason is irrelevant, because Ghadaffi's acts of terrorism were more characteristic of his younger years as dictator. For the past few decades, he has been quiet and even cooperative with the west against terrorism.

The error with everyone's reasoning stems from false beliefs about government and the causes for the problems in the middle east. According to you, "democratic" countries are not run by an elite (LOL?), and the revolts in the middle east represent a wave of the people rising up against tyranny to form a democracy that defends the human rights and freedoms every person is rightly entitled to. Really now. Are you all seriously this naive?

LOL. We have a lot worse problems on our hands than ethanol. Our government's agricultural policy is literally eroding the soil.

874

(23 replies, posted in Politics)

Key,

I just want a government that governs with stewardship and far-sightedness. I don't care what type of government it is as long as it satisfies those conditions. The people we have now are short-sighted and avaricious on both sides of the aisle. But the tea-party is presently worse, with their unyielding tyrannical social policies that are defended under the guise of "fiscal responsibility."

875

(23 replies, posted in Politics)

Obama and the Democratic party are bad. They invest in projects yielding no return on investment, and spend like an impulsive teenager with a high-limit credit card. But what is the alternative? Tea baggers. Social conservatives and free-market fundamentalists. Nothing but ignorant extremists who either belong to a mental institute or are bought by big business and the religious right, or both. Of course, I am being slightly unfair. I can tolerate some tea-baggers like John Boehner, and thankfully they elected someone with some sense as the Speaker of the House. However, I still do not like him, and most tea-baggers are far worse.

In my case, my best interest is clear. As long as the tea-party pushes for their tyrannical social policies behind the facade of fiscal responsibility, I am with Obama and the Democratic party. If the price of freedom is debt and outrageous spending, then so be it. Now, if the tea-party wants to give up its socially conservative agenda, and actually be serious about fiscal responsibility, then I would be supportive of them.