Baikonour - Oben beg (mk2)

That's photoshopped East. It's to cover her plans for world domination.

Joshua Kadison - Jessie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iElty90IPiw

and even better: Brainstorm - My star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLq5zmRiMwI
When I heard their song on the Eurovision Songcontest 10 years ago, I was absolutely stunned.

And to end, Kate Bush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3gKKiTvjs

Your video doesn't work over here TR!

Can't watch yours arocalex..

Make sugar out of it?

sky, your neat linkification only works for you and the other mods. For us, it's just untranslated BBcode

"The real debate isn't "is abortion OK" it is "does the foetus have the right to life"."

I disagree. I think the coreissue is this: "Does the foetus' 'claim' to life, in whatever social environment, outweigh the right of the involved (wich is in the worst scenario only the mother-to-be) to organise its own life?"
The social environment is an important factor here. Is the newborn better off alive in an environment that initially didn't want it? This will have psychologic implications to the child sooner or later..

SD, the overdramatic language has only one origin: english is not my native language, and therefore, my vocabulary is a whole lot smaller than yours. The point remains though. A child always changes your life dramaticly. Most abortions happen to teenage girls, so they should be our focus when we're discussing the matter. In most cases (at least here in Belgium, and the studies I read show a similar trend in most of European countries) teen pregnancies severly changes the course of studies. They usually end up with less valued degrees or quit school all together. So in a way, an abortion is a saving procedure. On top of that, I think not all teenagers are capable of taking care of a child. More importantly, an adolescent is still not mentally an adult. They should not take the responsibility of a child when they decide they're not ready for it yet..

"Abortion is being pushed as necessary for a woman's growth, a duty to themselves to permit a focus on their own advancement, by social workers and Democrats."

It is a fundamental right for women to decide wether they want the foetus to become a baby or not, that's a motion I agree with.  A government must not decide for them. Instead, they should be determined to allow women the choice, and give them all the necessary tools and help to make a choice that was decided after thorough reasoning. Again, an abortion is never decided upon in a jiffy..

As it has been said befoe: it's a matter of personal choice on wich the complete society and its biased morality shouldn't have absolutely no say in it whatsoever. Boundaries are needed though, but those should be set by a commission consisting out of medical and ethic-philosophic specialists.

"it is fact that the fetus is a human being and is alive"

It's not a fact, but a very debatable and disputable argument.

I have put myself to the defence of abortion before, so here it goes again. Abortion is never intended, by anyone, as the first of best solution to what the people involved consider to be a problem. And abortions are always a emotionally loaded thing. Although when those people opt for abortion, they shouldn't be limited by other people's (often god-inspired) morals. Those are irrelevant, or at least they should be. Abortion, again, is never the easy way out and it's always a hard decision to make. So, I don't think the often used argument that it's the easy way to escape consequences of irresponsible behaviour fits. I consider it to be the last, drastic choice of intervention to save people (and their direct social environment) who made a serious mistake.

Abortion is a right that should be defended as the freedom of speech is defended: I may not agree with what you do/say, but I fight for your right to do/say so.

Touch

Also, I think Chris has made the most sensible response in this thread (apart from SD)

Flint are you now going for the creationistic tour now?
What you trying to prove absolutely goes against every single principle of the evolution theory. And it's as simplistic as "the gods were astronauts"-theories.

What lies at the heart of the discussion, really, is the definition of the word "dinosaurs". It's not a perfectly defined and outlined group of animals. A crocodile makes an interesting case in this particular matter. It's from that era and it is a lizard..

"Carbon dating when two results match but are supposedly different era's then they call it an error."

Carbon dating is not possible on fossils, Flint.