@spock:
no, they give you a 1 dollar coupon you can trade for cloths distributed in specialized shops you have to work in. Clearly, you're far to soft.

"Wanna try again?"
My apologies but no, as I said in my previous post.

"Yes, ultimately consumers "consume" oil that's sold to them. What in the world does that have to do with companies making decisions regarding drilling for oil? Or the price of oil? Nothing. It's off-topic, incoherent rambling."
Demand is correlated with the price. But apart from that, I answered to your point of the total balance of energy possibly being negative. So wrong twice.

"You offered absolutely no examples of EROEI impacting decisions regarding oil drilling."
I offered many many examples. One of them being that investors value the quality of the oil by the energy it brings forth. I ofc presumed you know the link between investors and producers, and the link between buyers and quality of oil.

"I already know ROI matters."
ROI will not stay positive till the very last barrel. Unless you make this unearthly claim, it does determine when it will run out.

Again, in other words, my last attempt to explain the obvious:
TRB doesn't take into account the "net gain" on oil barrels if that is 1 to 100 or 1 to 2, the difference in actual barrels is huge.
TRB doesn't take into account how fast or slow you drill them up
TRB doesn't take into account how fast or slow its possible to drill them up
TRB doesn't take into account that one barrel might have 10 times the value of another.

Your only argument is that people pay the price of a scares product no matter what, but history proves you wrong. There was enough oil outside opec. But demand lowered when supplies ran out. Only after production increased, demand rose again.

In fact, everything but the point you misunderstood about consuming I answered to already in different words many times over. Other people did as well. I won't do it again.

lol, well I proved that point didn't I?

You laugh, but because of those bombs, many slaves where unemployed for almost several days. Lucky they had free showers or it would have been a pool of filth in those factories.

I wonder if Germany ever asked War reparations from the US, they should.

"And bear in mind that coal and gas cannot power our vehicles"
so now you looked up ROEI en EROEI look up how the germans in WW2 tried to compensate their lack of oil. Also look up LPG, coal fraction and steam.

"There is no standardized EROEI measurement used for any economic calculations."
No, like there isn't a standardized measurement for TRB, as opinions differ. There is, however, a broad consensus amongst these companies ROEI is part of the equation...I mean like centuries.

"EROEI ignores that energy has different forms"
No it doesn't. Thats the point of EROEI. You have to read it all if you look it up.

"...and sometimes it's practical to lose energy and still gain profit."
All energy is "consumed" in the end. Consumed means transformed into another (useless) state. Thats the point of it all.

"surely it's impacted at least one single decision!"
Investment in eg deploying a new oil field often takes more then 10 years before production starts. EVERY FRACKING TIME they calculate those things over and over again and again and present it to potential investors. (together with predictions of the future energy market!!)

EROEI is expressed in many different ways and often used to give an idea about the quality of the oil gained. This quality largely determines its final value.

Oil is often used to fuel powerplants as is coal. At this moment Coal is by far the biggest. Many people, including me, see the new discoveries and tech innovations in this field (eg better ways of coal mining) as a serious argument to say peak oil will be significantly prolonged by it.

Spock
"That's it?"
I also implied that an increase in EROEI prolongs the process. In fact EROEI is the thing that really matters when trying to predict how long oil will last. Exactly what the topic is about. Hence my second remark in this topic that you have to measure EROEI not TRB.

as to explanation to why you use plural,
I feel sorry for everyone's intelligence then but to my defense, I'm not a Vulcan now am I? Why do you repost that sentence in every thread to everyone on every subject at any given time btw? Do you have a shortkey for it?

@Iltk
lol

... I can only affirm.

Now you know something about the topic we discuss you can either join it or you choose not to.

And stop using (royal?) plural like you represent more then one anonymous online poster, its silly.

@undeath
I have the same feeling. He's either deliberately ignoring the point or seriously lacks some background on the subject.

@spock:
Yell said it another way in his first sentence. Maybe that will get you any further?

The thread is about the peak oil theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory

"The point is that, as long as oil is cheaper, it'll still be used, regardless of cost. We'll just pay that cost."
Thats what opec thought in the '70. If you mean cheaper compared to other energy resources or labour, that is determined by ROEI, so proving my point!

Maybe its easier for you to go step by step. Take as a first step the direct cost into account to produce oil. In the early days it might have been 1 needed to a couple hundred gained, as it came out of the ground by itself at many places. Imagine that would be 1 to 2. The total amount of TR barrels will be the same in both scenarios.

Examples that might increase ROEI:
Efficiency of oil usage
Efficiency of transportation
Efficiency in production or refinery
New discoveries of fields with a high ROEI

"I literally can't even tell what you're trying to say or what you disagreed with. "Without it...." Without what? Without oil? What scenario is that? What are you talking about?"
Without "these energy resources".

The bottom line is the total amount of barrels are not that important in this debate. Let me give you an example. You could produce tons of bio-oil yet gain almost no economic advantage. But the total amount of barrels produced will increase (shortly, as it is an economic disaster).

"Important to what?"
I never expected someone to discuss the usefulness of oil in our modern economies. In any case I presumed one could assume I was talking about the topic, where Einstein said peak oil is imaginary. So in order to make the math it is important to try and calculate the Return On Energy Investment instead.

The return on energy investment is part of the profit you gain from the oil. The economic value so to speak.