Flint,
So? I can forgive a man's eccentricities if he undoes the damage to civil rights. The government increasingly no longer cares about due process or habeas corpus.
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Flint,
So? I can forgive a man's eccentricities if he undoes the damage to civil rights. The government increasingly no longer cares about due process or habeas corpus.
I can believe he participates in the earmark system, but to say that only four house Republicans do so is absurd. I would be disturbed if Paul was a congressman from a state like West Virginia. Some states are "welfare queens" who receive substantially more from the government than they pay in taxes. This system is understandably controversial because it redistributes wealth and is plagued by corruption.
While other states are supporting the "welfare states," not all states are affected equally. Texas is one of the states that receives the least amount of money from the federal government compared to what they pay in taxes. So while earmarks are despicable, the fact that Paul represents a district in Texas makes it less so. In fact, the argument could be made that he is actually trying to recover some of the money paid in a system that unfairly burdens Texas.
That, and as imperfect as Paul may be, he's the most powerful person who stands for relaxing economic regulations, ending an expensive foreign policy, and restoring our civil liberties.
Zarf is worth $1,000,000,000
SD is worth $0.02
Xeno,
I think there is a context where we can talk about a government's legitimacy. For example, an opportunistic usurper is illegitimate in a society where kingship is based on hereditary succession. The same could be said of a military coup in a society with a long tradition of democracy. However, this allows the possibility that legitimacy can be acquired, and has the implication that all governments were at one time illegitimate.
For these reasons, I don't think it's productive to talk about legitimacy in the context you have outlined. That doesn't mean I think political discourse is necessarily unproductive. However, I don't see the point of discussing a fluid concept as though it were immutable. When it comes to the relevant context you outlined, I believe political authority depends on possessing the resources to gain compliance. The ways this can be accomplished include mythical indoctrination, appeals to popular or institutional sentiments, the use of coercion, and appeals to reason.
Personally, I prefer that governments primarily rely on reason. Meaning, that the government justifies its authority by serving a rational function, such as providing services including security, law and order, basic welfare, civil rights, and education etc. I also like it if that government is transparent, actively minimizes corruption, and upholds values like equal opportunity and meritocracy. If my government can deliver those things to my expectations, then I am glad to give it my allegiance.
Now, I'll probably give my compliance to a government that does not meet my minimal expectations to the extent I can tolerate it. For example, I can tolerate giving 10% of my earnings to thugs who deliver very little and act like buffoons but generally leave me alone. Nevertheless, I will not defend those thugs if they get themselves in to trouble. However, if those thugs take 90% of my earnings and actively attempt to terrorize me, then they have made an enemy for life who will deliver the fiercest justice upon them should the opportunity become available.
Xeno,
I sympathize with the view that might makes right. Though it would be more correct to say that my position on meta-ethics is anti-realism. That means I don't believe morals exist as real entities in nature. Rather, human societies invented morality to impose conformity in response to their needs. So moral talk has meaning to me in the sense that they are part of our institutions, reflect our cooperative nature, and are essential to the functioning of society, but I become impatient once moral talk presupposes that morals are real entities in nature.
So, in real life I satisfy most of the civic (not religious) moral expectations of me. In the event it happened, no one could complain that I did not perform my moral obligation to call the police if I witnessed a battery etc. I would certainly be compelled to do so, but I would not say my duty derived from obscure natural entities. Rather, it came from the expectations of being a participating member of my community, and my desire to assist other in-group members in need.
Simple. Iron and blood.
Your power is legitimate if you have the strength to keep it. Elections, religion, morality, they are all irrelevant.
Render,
You are out of line. You are one of those depressing persons who blame people for improving their own lives, rather than serving some twisted moral duty to uplift those whose lives are worse off. Self-interest is the only thing that has pushed the wheels of progress. Your values of self-sacrifice and equality cause poverty and suffering. They are the words of tyrants and their tools.
As ridiculous as I think Flint's ideas are, I have to acknowledge and credit him for his resilience. Others in his position would choose to mooch off welfare programs, but he decided that it wasn't worth living as a parasite. Although there is a tone of grandiosity in his op, and Flint is somewhat of a narcissist, he mainly wanted to share his experience that independence and a better life can be achieved and it's worth the effort.
Mace,
I think Flint is just confused, thinking something along the lines of "Those stupid plastic things are worthless! Smart people use cash or check." It's a common error among older Americans.
When I go out, I only carry cash or my debit card when I need to. And the only time I carry $300 or more is when I am using adult services, like strip clubs.
Indeed, it is nice. Money attracts the hot women.
Flint, btw, why the hell do you keep $300 in your pocket? That's an invitation for theft. The sensible thing to do is to purchase nearly everything with a credit card, and then pay off your entire balance at the end of the month. That way you won't lose your money if your credit card gets stolen, and you can more easily track your expenses.
When it comes to violating NAFTA by subsidizing some agricultural products, the United States started it. It's only natural that Mexico would do the same.
Time to liberate Europe... again.
Fool,
N/m, I agree with you that no one has an objective value. That doesn't mean that a person doesn't have value according to the values a person has committed themselves to, which may be usefulness.
The Emperor's speech against the EU and others put it best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2mLuK9edk
V.Kemp,
There is no contradiction. Capitalism can not thrive unless the government provides legal services that enable it. Since the government must finance these services with taxes, taxes are not necessarily bad for capitalism. They become bad when they crush incentives, due to high taxes for example.
The fact is you owe taxes to the government and they punish you if you don't pay them. By definition, taxes are a liability. What's bizarre is thinking you own the money forcibly seized from you and have no say in how it's spent.
There is no conclusion requiring that the purpose of life is to serve the government. It might imply that might makes right, which I sympathize with, but that does not stop the people from rebelling when their government becomes intolerable.
Kemp,
Oh, I was referring to a hypothetical person and calling it me. Actually, I don't believe the government needs to require insurance companies to cover condoms or birth control (except in limited cases when the birth control is required to remedy a health concern). As you say, condoms are inexpensive. However, I tire of Yell's insistence that we make the unmarried population sexually frustrated by outlawing pre-marital sex and contraception. That sort of policy will turn the US in to a ghetto, and I had to point this out.
But I stand by my position that taxes are a liability owed to the government. You do not own it. This concept is not detrimental to capitalism at all. What's detrimental to capitalism is a high tax rate and idiots who think they own the money that's in the government's hands.
That is as explicit as it's going to get. If you are going to insist it's false, then I suggest you at least independently study finance and accounting.
Shaw,
Condensed version: The statement that the money spent by the government is partially yours is false. Taxes collected from you are a liability you owe to the government. Therefore, you have no ownership of the taxes collected from you.
> Simon wrote:
> > And you should support it because crime and sexual frustration correlate with one another. Your choices are more police, which is more expensive, or access to sexual health, which is cheaper. The rational choice is obvious.
You remember that article about asexuals in Japan, where a surprising number of young people has never had sex? Japan still has one of the lowest crime rates.>
That's because Japan permits economic substitutes to be sold in vending machines.
Flint,
Hypocrisy much?
Shaw,
You're confused. You do not pay for any government programs. You are not paying for the military, welfare payments, or any research etc. The only entities that pay for them are the government and private donors. While it's true the government collects taxes, your claim rests on the assumption that the money is yours. It's not. It's a liability you owe to the government. If we were to follow your logic, then an insolvent debtor could argue against bankruptcy by claiming that their liabilities are in fact equities, which is a laughable proposition.
Yell,
I'm a slut, and proud of it. I want the government to make my lifestyle easier by eliminating the risks inherent in sexual activity by facilitating access to birth control and safe sex. And you should support it because crime and sexual frustration correlate with one another. Your choices are more police, which is more expensive, or access to sexual health, which is cheaper. The rational choice is obvious.
This is a joke. It's the second most abundant element in the universe. And if we run out of it locally, I'm sure we can produce it. Sheesh.
According to my Economics textbook, $10 million.
Btw, it's a freshwater textbook.
> Baratheon wrote:
I agree, the Chinese are developing a pulsar gun to reverse the trajectory of the sun. This way, when the sun rises in the west, they hope that all our eyes will get squinty like theirs, and our skin will be sun baked yellow.
Also, they plan to make use of all those murdered female chinese babies. They plan to introduce "tender meat product" in "Wei-Fok-Em-Yung" frozen Chinese food marketed to the West. If we continue to allow them to import their food, before we know it we'll all be little Chinese girls; well, technically.
Also, we should pull exports of soap and toothpaste, because it clearly isn't working for them.>
Attempt at satire = entertaining, it made me laugh, but fail.
Hillary for President! She would be better than either Romney or Obama.
France ceased to be a technical subject, more appropriately called a piece of, the Holy Roman Empire not long after the Carolingian dynasty collapsed.
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