Outrage as Berlin issues tax demands to Belgians deported to Germany in WWII to work as slaves for Nazis
Germans want to tax compensation settlements and pensions agreed in 2005
By ALLAN HALL
Last updated at 4:23 PM on 21st November 2011

Belgians deported to Nazi Germany in World War II to work as slaves for the Third Reich have now received tax demands from Berlin.
Belgium's finance minister Didier Reynders has vowed to confront Germany over the 'morally indefensible' tax demands which have been arriving in the mailboxes of elderly war survivors over the past few weeks.
'It is shocking that people who during World War II were forced to work by the Nazis have now received tax demands from the authorities related to the compensation eventually paid for that work,' he said.

'Morally indefensible': Belgium's Finance Minister Didier Reynders slammed the German tax demands
Several dozen former victims of the forced labour regime imposed by the Nazis after they conquered Belgium in May 1940 have received the demands.
It seeks tax on pensions and lump sums paid out in compensation following a deal struck in 2005.
Tony Vandersteen, ombudsman of the Belgian pension department, said; 'There is great anger. Dozens of people have complained, both survivors or their dependants.
'I told people there is not a lot that I can do. I recommended that people contact the German authorities in order to try to obtain a discount'.
The German tax demands could not come at a worse time for the German image.
The modern-day state is already seen by many in Europe as achieving dominance over its neighbours through the euro crisis and the comment from an aide of Chancellor Angela Merkel to David Cameron last week that 'Europe spricht Deutsch' ('Europe is speaking German') did nothing to enhance that perception.
Nazi Germany enslaved over 13 million people in WWII to work on munitions plants, as labourers, farm and kitchen hands as every able-bodied male was called up to fight.
It was only six years ago that Germany recognised its responsibility towards the survivors and began to issue them payments and pensions.

Belgian slaves worked in some terrible places where life often hung by a thread.
They included the secret underground factory at Nordhausen where V2 rockets were built and where some workers didn't see daylight for four years.
They also endured backbreaking work building the bunker Valentin in Bremen to house submarines.
Nearly 4000 people died while working there, what prosecutors at Nuremberg called 'extermination by working'.
Many Belgian Jews not exterminated were deported to work in ghetto industries in Poland.

Mr Reynders said that this new problem with the pensions paid to former forced labourers had come about because of a new German law on taxing pensions of people living outside of Germany.
He said he had contacted his German opposite number Wolfgang Schaeuble on October 20 about the general implications of the law, but had 'yet to get much of a response.'

'It hits me not only financially but emotionally,' said Simone De Vos, 84, the widow of a forced labourer.
'My late husband had anxiety attacks for decades after his time in Germany. It is outrageous that the Germans now want money back.'
Germany wants to claw back 17 per cent of the payments in tax. Some 200,000 Belgians were enslaved to work for their German masters. It is feared that the tax demands will now be sent to survivors in other lands.
The German government had no immediate comment.


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This test is meant to provide the EU with the means to enact post-facto regulation of the marketplace.

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" They were asked to analyze the validity of a statement and concluded that as-written the statement was false.  Should they have lied?"

They should have said "Only a fascist would impose criminal penalties on the free market for disagreeing with a panel of bureaucrats as to the meaning of words, and my name ain't Heinrich Himmler. Go pass a legal definition of "dehydration" if you care so much."

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"the question put before was "regularly drinking significant amounts of water prevents dehydration etc."

this is a false and misleading statement"

And waterboarding is not torture

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"Measures of change to the establishment to ensure its services keep up with the will and needs of the people are needed.

What, therefore, are the measures of change needed for the next generation to be able to pursue and attain the decent standard of life everyone wants?

This is the question the media should be addressing, not the debate as to whether or not the protesters or the authorities are in the right or wrong.
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Well we decided, since they are wrong to demand other people's money as if it were a common resource, we should change how lenient we are to protestors so we all have a better standard of life without being hit by a brick or forced to detour to avoid smelly people tackling cops.

We have no obligation to provide "services" to people just because they demand it.  That course leads to Greece.

Most nations fail, and I don't see any reason why we should cripple the greatest nation that ever worked, to resemble all those Latin American and African and Asian and European states that went under, because "everybody thinks we should"


My grandparents went through the Great Depression and when I talked to that generation they were full of stories about how they changed to survive

They didn't talk about bitching in the street about getting other people's stuff

and my Great-Grandparents, that generation, DAMN they saved string and cardboard and aluminum foil all their lives. Cause back in the Depression stores ran out.  If one of them was alive, and like 50 years younger, they'd be up in your protesting ass with a axehandle  cause you are drinking $2 cups of coffee and demanding socialism pay your bills!  And yeah their street protests involved assault with a deadly weapon, I don't even think that was a crime back then

so why not do what the Greatest Generation and their belt-wielding parents did-- Improvise, Adapt, Overcome, Mutate yourself in a survivor American

Survivor Americans are gungho killing machines that just want a nice lawn and some pot roast and some goddam quiet, and face it isnt that what we all want in the end

there si one thing that America still does better than any other people on earth, it is in us, we eat and breathe it, and poop it, its who we are, its what we do

we're assholes

and in the age of unthinking electronic buy now pay later, being a asshole can pay enormous dividends

instead of protesting why not learn Russian or Chinese or German and export this wonderful ability to other countries.

Say theres a Russian who's a bit better off than his neighbors, he has a credit card and buys stuff online.  One night at dinner his phone rings, and some American with a horrible accent pretends to be his friend trying help him out with payment options.  He shouts at them for invading his   personal home space like a nekulturny wage slave.  20 mins later a different American calls back.  keeps up for 2 hours.  Now he has a problem, American assholes know where his family is.  To an American, this aint so awful because an American will be an asshole right back.  But this Russian or Chinese or Balt or Turk, he's gonna smell a conspiracy and he's going to go down in person somewhere and try to fix it.  THis is a service that the top 1% of Russians or Turks or Arabs or Chinese would love to have, I mean what's it cost to pay some American to work in a call center? And how much do they collect?

other countries dont do that. I had a Kenyan roommate in Minneapolis and I'd come home and there were 4 guys with him cooking kenyan chicken and cornmeal and they just met that day playing soccer, I was like (internal monologue)' how can you bring 4 people home the day you met them, we don't know they're not assholes'. But they weren't, they were cool.  so i learned the difference between Americans and all other peoples who have not been burnt by advertising and collections since age 7 ( like how another time I learned European socialsim is genetic cause they invented rent credit swaps to avoid destrying each other playing monopoly)

But it will never happen because we'd rather stand in a street bangng a drum and shouting than learn another language.  I mean, I read somewhere that if you don't learn by age 3 then your brain eats the language cells or something, right? Shit we should make people learn a second language as part of probation. "Sorry Malloy, you're clean and you got a job, aut ne parle-vous francais so you still are a con".  Nah, the ACLU would stand in the street banging a drum and shouting over that one.

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yes i am dissing nyancat, so I guess I am dissing myself


instantaneous exchange of ideas and information across borders has produced nyancat, not enlightened social justice

that whirring noise is HG Wells reaching 40,000 rpm in his grave

hm youre right about star trek, its also not about exploration, funny how that works out

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I went to the internet to learn what the Nyancat was anyhow

The Nyancat is only  afew months old.  It is a result of one guy in california drawing a cat with a poptart body and a japanese woman and man putting a song of a cat together.  its compelling power cannot be denied

the poptart cat was made by request, so the artist did not himself imagine the cat and the poptart coming together, and without the poptart cat there would be no nynyanya song.  So this cooperative genius was entirely unplanned and uncoordinated

this whole episode tells me two things

1.  popculture is so pervasive the Balsz Horizon* is now about 6 months instead of 9 years

* (the Balsz Horizon is the point where I hear about something that already had its 15 minutes)

2. Homo sapiens has achieved gestalt, and the Overmind is retarded

in light of these circumstances a belief in teh triumph of individual achievement is meaningless and contraevolutionary.  It is time like Starfleet to abandon Earth to seek out new life and civilizations and argue it into tolerance!

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Until two penises can make a baby, I seem to have more than deductive reasoning on my side.

and yes, if it would shut up you, we can ban marriage for the infertile and the elderly too

The reality is, from your discussion, that a crowd of you will break the law to surround a building, and then blackbloc anarchist infiltrators will commit some violence, and then you will ostracize them.

You won't actually prevent their violence, or turn them over for  punishment.

"As evidenced in reality.  I guess holding arms and saying that you are not going to be silenced and shut up is seeking a "violent confrontation".  Sitting their with a stoic face and saying that you're willing to be beat and brutalized by police officers is a criminal act."

Yes. Because like a pesky kittycat you do it where other people want to walk.  Go do it out of traffic.

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It would have been easier and cheaper to say water advertising can only repeat how much water you need to live.
The "defense" only proves how stupid the system is.

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"Firstly, "regular consumption" of water doesn't reduce the risk of dehydration any more than eating a pork pie a day reduces the risk of starvation."

If it's an 800 calorie pie, yes, it would. 

>> If I drink half a pint of bottled water while running through a desert in the blistering sun, I'll still end up dehydrated, and if I drink several bottles today, that won't prevent me from dehydrating tomorrow.<<

That would not be "REGULAR CONSUMPTION".  That would be "irregular consumption".

>>The key is to drink enough water when you need it, and you're not going to get that from any bottled water product unless it's mounted on a drip.<<

By this logic, since giving antibiotics one day a month won't save somebody from sepsis, then there's no point pretending antibiotics are useful, or necessary---hey, that explains your health care.

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I wholeheartedly support the EU ruling, and in the next war*, when the Europeans beg us Americans to supply their civilian populations with the "necessities for existence", we can give them a million copies of this ruling on microfilm, and you can drink that.






*don't kid  yourselves.

Here's some Koreans counter-demonstrating in 1992

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5ttIHV12s

you don't want police? Fine by me.

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thanks East...are you guys allowed to carry tools on your person in the UK?

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"wake me when they can tell inherent sexual orientation at an autopsy"

hmm, guess you could make inferences from body fluids in stomach contents

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we should rape the moon for minerals.

And someday some country will, and we'll look up from our TV and yell they can't do that

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(56 replies, posted in Politics)

wake me when they can tell inherent sexual orientation at an autopsy

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i posted Green Day because somebody was bitching that VH1 actually included Green Day

although I think if Ozzy were still on tour he'd love for Green Day to open

then he'd sacrifice them to Wotan

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yeah it depends on the type of heat source I think

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Whatsa matta you? Hey
gotta no respect
whaddya think you do
why you look so sad?
itsa not so bad
itsa nicea place
aw shaddapa you face

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Green day!

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maybe they should have a fascist putsch

and declare war on NATO

then surrender to anybody who speaks english

and take reconstructive aid


worked last time

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I got a flu and was barfing every 15 mins on the dot for 8 hours.  And then I'd barf in between if I saw something barfy

so i thought I'd relax by watching a 1960s pippi longstocking movie

damn kids fried bacon and eggs in the same skillet...

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Crisis in Italy!!

How can berlusconi get laid now?

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