Topic: EU Scientists: Water not healthy

After 3 years of studies EU Scientists say water does not prevent dehydration. The ruling means that companies cannot market water as healthy, nor can Government Agencies.


I imagine thismeans the brits were right about beer then?

Regardless this is a flabbergasting of a declaration. I wonder if the USA will adopt this policy...

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link?

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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I found it via www.drudgereport.com

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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/284426/EU-says-water-is-not-healthy

post with my thoughts following. first i'd like to analyze the original article.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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I think the law is more to prevent false advertising containing scientific mumbojumbo used in incorrect ways, claiming that water is healthy because of an obvious requirement of our bodies to be supplied with water.

However that it required highly paid scientists to figure this out and that it is in fact becoming a law of its own in the UK is laughable, as the topic is seemingly redicoulous.

Yet, I do believe that false advertisement is a topic that should be discussed in politics a lot more: there is a need to prevent misinformation of the public, especially in advertisements, and since advertisement companies are very eager to misinform the public I do believe there has to be some regulation that forbids the advertisements from misleading (or attempting to mislead) the public.

On the other hand, the EU is indeed a bureaucratic mess of laws and legislation and they have definitely made worse laws in the past, of which some are named by the article. And at this moment it is definitely not the time to waste resources on something as redicoulous as defining the effects of water on dehydration.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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Just to give a heads up, most of the articles on this story (there's about 25 that all 'independently' popped up about 8 months after the actual decision. weird...) are complete bunk.  The Guardian published a good explanation of what's actually going on here.

RisingDown, when you laugh that 'it required highly paid scientists to figure this out', you're missing what was actually being discussed.  It was a test case regarding advertising rules in the EU.  The product that made controversial claims was completely bogus; it was never meant for market, it was simply made to test the legal system.

Here's a few excerpts from the commentary at the Guardian:

"I was in a pub in Farringdon last night when a picture of the front page of The Express materialized on a TV screen, screaming semi-literately that, "EU SAYS WATER IS NOT HEALTHY." We swiftly neutralized the offending appliance, but stupidity is highly contagious, and this morning an newborn EU myth oozed from the presses, that the EU's European Food Standards Authority have ruled water to be unhealthy. Youcouldntmakeitup.  Or maybe you could, because The Express headline is made up."

"The specific health claim tested is outlined in the ruling: "The regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration and of concomitant decrease of performance." The claim wasn't submitted for a genuine product, but was created as a deliberate 'test' exercise... there are two major problems with the claim: drinking water doesn't prevent dehydration, and drinking-water doesn't prevent dehydration."

Surprisingly, those two major problems are actually correct.  I already knew this, but the Guardian does a decent job explaining the physiology to an audience that lacks much medical knowledge:

"Firstly, "regular consumption" of water doesn't reduce the risk of dehydration any more than eating a pork pie a day reduces the risk of starvation. If I drink half a pint of bottled water while running through a desert in the blistering sun, I'll still end up dehydrated, and if I drink several bottles today, that won't prevent me from dehydrating tomorrow. The key is to drink enough water when you need it, and you're not going to get that from any bottled water product unless it's mounted on a drip.

Secondly, dehydration doesn't just mean a lack of water, or 'being thirsty'; electrolytes like sodium are important too. If salt levels fall too far, the body struggles to regulate fluid levels in the first place. That's why hospitals use saline drips to prevent dehydration in patients who can't take fluids orally, and why people with diarhhoea are treated with salt-containing oral rehydration fluids."

The latter is actually a real problem.  Hyponatremia is a deadly condition and kills quite a lot of people.  Binge water drinking can cause it and you'll see it quite a bit in marathon runners for similar reasons.  In the town where I live we've had a couple people die from hyponatremia over the past few years (when will the frats figure out that binge drinking water is a bad idea).

The Guardian finishes on a great point:

"the ruling seems pretty sensible to me, or at least as sensible as a ruling can be when the claim being tested is vexatious in the first place. It's accurate advice, and it prevents companies selling bottled water from making exaggerated claims for their products, which is a good thing. They even have the support of the British Soft Drinks Association, who tweeted just as this piece was going live with the following statement: "The European Food Safety Authority has been asked to rule on several ways of wording the statement that drinking water is good for hydration and therefore good for health. It rejected some wordings on technicalities, but it has supported claims that drinking water is good for normal physical and cognitive functions and normal thermoregulation."

It's also an great opportunity to challenge received wisdom, and to make the point that keeping the human body hydrated is about much more than just drinking tap water when you're thirsty. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of journalists are more interested in promoting second-hand hysteria than informing their readers. Which is a bit sad."

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ah, that clears up a lot tongue yeah that site of Einstein seemed shady.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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> SavingHawaii wrote:

> (when will the frats figure out that binge drinking water is a bad idea).


Say what? They binge on water now?

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
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What will the EU come up with next?

'Democracy is unhealthy'?

'Voting causes cancer'?

Words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen: the enunciation of truth.

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> DaveMacleod wrote:

> What will the EU come up with next?

'Democracy is unhealthy'?

'Voting causes cancer'?

Will be more like 'The EU is a perfect system'

I give your invention the worst score imaginable. An A minus MINUS!
~Wornstrum~

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I wholeheartedly support the EU ruling, and in the next war*, when the Europeans beg us Americans to supply their civilian populations with the "necessities for existence", we can give them a million copies of this ruling on microfilm, and you can drink that.






*don't kid  yourselves.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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"Firstly, "regular consumption" of water doesn't reduce the risk of dehydration any more than eating a pork pie a day reduces the risk of starvation."

If it's an 800 calorie pie, yes, it would. 

>> If I drink half a pint of bottled water while running through a desert in the blistering sun, I'll still end up dehydrated, and if I drink several bottles today, that won't prevent me from dehydrating tomorrow.<<

That would not be "REGULAR CONSUMPTION".  That would be "irregular consumption".

>>The key is to drink enough water when you need it, and you're not going to get that from any bottled water product unless it's mounted on a drip.<<

By this logic, since giving antibiotics one day a month won't save somebody from sepsis, then there's no point pretending antibiotics are useful, or necessary---hey, that explains your health care.

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> Demotivator wrote:

> "Firstly, "regular consumption" of water doesn't reduce the risk of dehydration any more than eating a pork pie a day reduces the risk of starvation."

If it's an 800 calorie pie, yes, it would. 

>> If I drink half a pint of bottled water while running through a desert in the blistering sun, I'll still end up dehydrated, and if I drink several bottles today, that won't prevent me from dehydrating tomorrow.<<

That would not be "REGULAR CONSUMPTION".  That would be "irregular consumption".

>>The key is to drink enough water when you need it, and you're not going to get that from any bottled water product unless it's mounted on a drip.<<

By this logic, since giving antibiotics one day a month won't save somebody from sepsis, then there's no point pretending antibiotics are useful, or necessary---hey, that explains your health care.

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We're still not escaping the fact that the OP was a misleading partisan hack job.  There's a good rule of the thumb that I use when dealing with OPs that simply seem ridiculous.  "If it looks completely ridiculous, that's probably because it's made up."  And sure enough, it was.  A bunch of hack tabloid writers doing their best to spin this for every ounce of advertising revenue it's worth.

I don't really care, but I do think it's good to learn that 95% of news outlets really have no concern for quality journalism.  It's not about truth or facts, it's about scandal and sensationalism.  And if none of that exists?  Well make your own.

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There may be issues with the news article, but the fact still remains...

The human body is in majority made up of water.

Not drinking water at all is bad.

Water can promote good health, as can vitamins, sodium, calories, nutrients, oxygen, and more.

Individually to much of any can kill you.

Individually to little of any can kill you.

This ruling is quacked up.

It is like saying a heater is bad for you because it does not resolve why it is cold in the first place.

It is like saying Oxygen is bad for you since it cannot resolve oxygen deprivation....


So when you consider it in these terms it boggles the mind.

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It would have been easier and cheaper to say water advertising can only repeat how much water you need to live.
The "defense" only proves how stupid the system is.

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> Einstein wrote:

> There may be issues with the news article, but the fact still remains...

The human body is in majority made up of water.

Not drinking water at all is bad.

Water can promote good health, as can vitamins, sodium, calories, nutrients, oxygen, and more.

Individually to much of any can kill you.

Individually to little of any can kill you.

This ruling is quacked up.

It is like saying a heater is bad for you because it does not resolve why it is cold in the first place.

It is like saying Oxygen is bad for you since it cannot resolve oxygen deprivation....


So when you consider it in these terms it boggles the mind.

I agree.  Nothing is a permanent fix.

Words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen: the enunciation of truth.

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Well then you should concede that this is a silly ruling huh?

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> Einstein wrote:

> Well then you should concede that this is a silly ruling huh?

It is, but it was a silly challenge too.  If somebody asks a stupid question and you have to answer, of course you've got no choice but to give a stupid answer.

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> Einstein wrote:

> Well then you should concede that this is a silly ruling huh?

Who was that posted directed at?

Words will always retain their power.  Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen: the enunciation of truth.

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the question put before was "regularly drinking significant amounts of water prevents dehydration etc."

this is a false and misleading statement

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"the question put before was "regularly drinking significant amounts of water prevents dehydration etc."

this is a false and misleading statement"

And waterboarding is not torture

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It is not the question at fault but the answer.

A more appropriate answer:

Water alone cannot stop dehydration, but water is essential in rehydrating the body.


Those scientists got three years pay for their answer. I want half that amount in British Pounds please.

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> Einstein wrote:
>
> It is not the question at fault but the answer.
>
>A more appropriate answer:
>
>Water alone cannot stop dehydration, but water is essential in rehydrating the body.

They weren't asked to provide a good answer.  They were asked to evaluate the question.  If the statement above was what they'd been asked to evaluate, I'm guessing they would have stated that this was accurate.  But that's not the statement that they were evaluating.

>Those scientists got three years pay for their answer. I want half that amount in British Pounds please.

They spent three years to provide their evaluation.  I doubt they got paid for three years of work specifically on that subject.  I'm guessing a couple afternoons in conferences was about the total spent resolving that query.  The vast majority of their paychecks were earned performing their regular studies.

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By your very clinical standards then you are agreeing waterboarding is not torture then, thanks for clarifying that you support narrow definitions and not common sense.

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