Don't bother with facts and statistics. It's no secret that banning guns raises crime rates. Nor is it arguable that it doesn't.

Everyone who keeps claiming it's about safety and not control is in denial, lying, or just stupid.

I was gonna say the reverse, but I ended up with Obama.

lol @ 420. don't we all!

Clearly if pigs do it, Fokker, it's morally acceptable for you? What a parallel to draw.

>>If John chooses to rape her under these conditions, would it really be wrong?<<

Yes. He's the asshole who got himself in that situation because he wanted in with a group that would have him rape a woman. It may be consequentially better for him to rape her if it saves her life after traumatizing her, but the act is still horribly wrong despite your rationalization. How disgusting.

>>Rape is only wrong because society says it is is wrong, and even then only for people.<<

Thank you for this thought-out and well-explained idea which you explained so well. I can hold it against my post, which clearly claims you are wrong, and really see where you stand. </sarcasm> If you think anything is wrong because society says so, you don't think it's essentially wrong. You don't think that rape is essentially wrong. Just wow. Fokker just explained that he doesn't think rape is essentially wrong then said he'd put LSD in my water supply if I "even suggest" what he had JUST stated. What a level of discourse with you rapists.

50 has the funniest family picture. I cheer for them.

Hmmm... Metaethical Essentialism vs. Cultural Relativism. What a tough one. All the kids are relativists. But all the kids are selfish and _ignorant_. They really need educations; more now than ever. Let me think.

That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
Of any world where promises were kept,
Or one could weep because another wept.
                      ---W.H. Auden, The Shield of Achilles

Metaethical essentialism contends that there is some characteristic of humankind or nature that determines right from wrong; be it deontological, consequential, or some combination of both.  Ethical relativism disregards this belief in favor of ethics based entirely on private opinion (individual relativism) or the collective opinion of a given society (cultural/temporal relativism).  Ethical relativism acknowledges no absolutes; it can be strictly rigorist or often antinomian, very tolerant or entirely intolerant of acts which do not conform to a society

54's custom race pop banker was their largest. But he never aided anyone, before he lost his pop or after he recovered 80% of it. Everyone the pax aided deleted or was inactive, so all resources wasted. The end for 54.

Usually a pax has jumped wizards for opping anyway, so the buffed numbers there alone usually keeps them pretty safe from spells. I thought the +70% magic aided in defense, like I thought -30% hurt defense against wizard ops. You guys are sure it doesn't help/hurt defense? <==Not one for wizard ops.

The huge NW inflation of pop banking is veeeeery problematic in a fam that isn't as active as it should be.

Don't be a leader. Let some other poor bastard with more time to hump his computer ever 1-2 hours do it.

1254 has been 75%+ inactive this round. 2-3 of the players from the round's start remain. Just do the math.

The earth is perfect? It doesn't always make things easy.

That we are capable of surviving most of the temperature range of the earth doesn't prove that God made us perfect for it. It's the natural result of living on the earth. If human beings were not suited to live on the earth, we wouldn't. We'd all be dead like countless lifeforms before us.

If the earth was created so perfectly, why have so many creatures who lived thousands to millions of years ago died out? Wasn't the earth so perfect then? If God created the earth perfectly for human life, why did he bother with millions of years of other creatures; just to give us a little more oil? It didn't HAVE to undergo the changes and processes it has for millions-billions of years to arrive at these conditions. But it did.

Most other animals have similarly complex functions. If God is necessary for life, pointing out how perfect our imperfect world is only distracts from this position.

OMG McCain is a moron? I had no idea. Glad you posted a piece testifying to this fact in thread praising Joe Biden.