3,751

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

Its motivations and controls are not the free market.

Giving a handout, whether to business or private citizens, is not a major stimulus to the economy. They/We can tell the difference between an electric fan and the wind. Neither private citizens nor businesses change their practices becaues of a handout. They/We know that the bonus money is not replicable in the future. It would be foolish to hire more employees or spend the bonus money as the economy slows.

Contrast this to tax cuts. Get an education.

You sound confused.

3,753

(27 replies, posted in Politics)

I don't see anything he posted here as indicating he's a "nut."

Schools in many areas are horrendous. There are schools in NYC where teachers are payed to sit in rooms and do nothing because they're too dangerous (some dangerous sexually, some violently) to let near students, but their unions protect their jobs too well to fire them. He made a reference to Democrats, but they have been the advocates of status-quo, no change but to spend more as the only thing they'll support.

FYI: I am not registered with a political party. I don't like nearly anyone in national US politics. Some are much better than others. Some seem alright but it's not my work or life and I don't know about the stories of people in all of the lesser positions. This isn't a BASH-OBAMA-RAMA thread. This is a thread about an action he's taking/planning to enact. This is a thread about me finding NO alternative motivation or reason for this change other than corruption. I've explained that this change is problematic legally. I've explained that this change is problematic for politicizing the census. Democrats have long advocated using estimates in the census which the vast majority of commerce secretaries have strongly advocated not using. I'll continue asking for any other motivation/reasons Obama could have for this move other than politicizing the census and using whichever estimates Rahm wants. All of the experts have advised against this method but it's politically advantageous for Obama to use so he's quietly seeking to do it anyway for the 2010 census. I'm still waiting on alternative reasons this is a good idea.

The Office of the President of the United States should do what it can to avoid even the appearance of politicizing such an important task. Here Obama is openly politicizing it against the advice of nearly every Commerce Secretary and no one has thus far even proposed a single alternative reason that this is a good idea, let alone proposed a feasible one.

I already provided 2 links I got from Googling, Zarf BeebleBrix. There are more.

I've already outlined why it's problematic, Question. No one has yet provided any reason for this other than corruption.

I had a great many problems with Bush and Cheney, Econamatrix. They're not the topic of this thread. What are you smoking? So he signed a "series of orders relating to freedom of information." So what? If you don't know the specifics it's probably because they're not something he wants everyone to know.

>>To me, yes as an outsider, many republicans come across as extremeists. <<

This thread is a fine example of how awful the media you're viewing is. They do not give you an accurate view of the USA.

3,756

(714 replies, posted in Politics)

>>Global Trade within a resource-based economy would still function as it does today, except without the need to purchase respective nations' currencies. <<

Such a need does not exist now.

>>Actually, if you think about what I say above<<

We thought about it, then we shredded it because you're wrong.

>>Now, there is a world equivalent value of x resource: 1 tonne of sweet potatoes in New Guinea would = 1 tonne of sweet potatoes in Britain, because, of course, 1 tonne of sweet potatoes would = (just as an example) 20 tonnes of grain EVERYWHERE.  It SOLVES the inequality of the current monetary system.<<

Your sweet potato example is lovely and pointless. We can already exchange sweet potatoes and grain with money.

>>False.  Banks would not only still exist, but they would also loan resources.<<

Many resources don't stay as well as currency. Especially when you don't refrigerate or freeze them.

>>A resource based system would not result in the scarcity of resources.  What do you think people would putting in their savings accounts?  RESOURCES<<

This is just silly.

>>Yes there is: a better standard of life.<<

We've been over this a dozen times. It would rape and pillage people's standards of living and create great poverty.

>>I'm, going to stop wasting my time blowing your points out of the water.  I'd advise you to try and explain what this 'dutch disease' thing is more precisely, because whatever it is, I don't think you understand it well enough.<<

You're like 12. You haven't addressed anyone's points. Give it up.

whitehouse.gov's press section has 0 mention of it. Why would he hide it? Hello corruption. This is change alright. jk jk

I'm 100% wrong because you can't google and click the first half dozen results? I'm sorry you don't know any decent news media sources to reference and find out what's going on. Please take note of your level of awareness.

"Why Obama Wants Control of the Census "
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123423384887066377.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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President Obama said in his inaugural address that he planned to "restore science to its rightful place" in government. That's a worthy goal. But statisticians at the Commerce Department didn't think it would mean having the director of next year's Census report directly to the White House rather than to the Commerce secretary, as is customary. "There's only one reason to have that high level of White House involvement," a career professional at the Census Bureau tells me. "And it's called politics, not science."

The decision was made last week after California Rep. Barbara Lee, chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, and Hispanic groups complained to the White House that Judd Gregg, the Republican senator from New Hampshire slated to head Commerce, couldn't be trusted to conduct a complete Census. The National Association of Latino Officials said it had "serious questions about his willingness to ensure that the 2010 Census produces the most accurate possible count."

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Funny how the guy who doesn't estimate/sample is the guy who can't give accurate numbers; it's the ones who have no problem making up numbers who we should depend on!

"Obama shifts Census oversight, triggering angry protest by Republicans"
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41986&dcn=todaysnews
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The move would shift the chain of command with the bureau and the Commerce Department, where the bureau currently resides. It comes after the Congressional Black Caucus, National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials and other groups expressed displeasure with Obama's nominee for Commerce secretary, Republican Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire.

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So he's not just a hypocrite when he talks about transparency, but also when he talks about bipartisanship.
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Gregg, the groups said this week, opposed efforts to secure emergency funding for the 2000 Census, which they asserted exposes a potential lack of commitment to ensuring that hard-to-reach minority populations are properly accounted for in the 2010 census.
A White House spokesman confirmed Thursday that Obama plans to work closely with the bureau, which will remain within the Commerce Department.

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Oh he'll make sure they're counted. Or not "counted," certainly not, but a bigger than accurate number will be given to them to ensure that they are represented!

I'm sure I could find more sources. Some of you are having trouble. My advice is, just don't vote or post if you have no idea what's going on.

3,759

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

You can say that again! [HA HA HA HA!]

3,760

(215 replies, posted in Politics)

No. I'm not a socialist. They'd throw me under a train or in front of a bus, regardless of my intentions and whether or not I was right. The new definition of equality means you're only equal if you agree with their endless grabs for more power. Unless you agree with their ideal that we need to create the largest government possible (we're aiming at as close to God as we can legislate) to take care of us and make everything right, you're not included with the "us" crowd that everything must be "equal" to.

3,761

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

23% sounds great to me. Stop debasing the value of my money!

>>the even bigger problem was people willing to invest in those VERY risky and complicated assets. <<

Let them lose. They risked big, let them lose big. It shouldn't be my problem. The cost should not fall on me. I see accountability as more desirable than idiocy and theft.

3,762

(215 replies, posted in Politics)

LOL. I didn't know it was you. Not many old names still around here.  You're way too old for my incompetent children comment to apply to you.

Now I'm calling you old. Nothing's coming out right tonight!

I've proposed one corrupt motivation for why Obama has done this. And it's the complete opposite of the transparency Obama has claimed he wants to bring to Washington. I'm eagerly awaiting any alternative reason for this move. 0 have been proposed so far.

Thank you for that fine example of willful ignorance, Econamatrix. You have no regard for the subject matter of this thread but instead make completely irrelevant references to "the last crowd."

Thank you for your contribution as well, Gladiator. The more people who respond thinking they're posting "in defense" of President Obama who have NOTHING of substance to say, the more it appears you have NO explanation for this change.

Maybe it's not important to you that every Commerce Sec. (save Clinton's) has advised strongly against estimation ("sampling") in conducting the census, Question. Maybe it's not important to you that President Obama is politicizing the cenus, which determines Congressional representation and has a large role in determining the distribution of federal funds. I suppose if you just don't care that this method yields inaccurate numbers in whichever direction that the conductor of the census wants it's not important. I suppose if you just don't care that the White House can manipulate these subjective numbers, whereas the Department of Commerce had to publish its methods and regulations (the White House is granted much more secrecy in the way it conducts its business), then it's not important. Thank you for informing us of your apathy.

3,765

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

>>ever move any government has made is with good intentions <<

...Wow. That's not the most ignorant and naive statement... ever.

>>But the interest rates weren't part of the real problem, they were just part of the sub-sub problem<<

The bubble was. Which was the point. Go back. You missed it. They weren't part of the real problem? Wow. That's quite the position.

>>BTW it was the "free market" advocated who lowered the interest rates<<

It was the US Federal Reserve Bank. You have no idea what you're talking about.

3,766

(215 replies, posted in Politics)

I shall respect him when he mails me a bomb!

I think that came out wrong.

3,767

(64 replies, posted in Politics)

If the free market determined interest rates we wouldn't have these bubbles. BAM there's the fault of politics being the start of the problem.

Democrats have long advocated estimating urban populations for the census. This move sounds like a sure way to increase the political power held by Amerika's urban centers. Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is known for his scheming; I bet he can accomplish a lot overseeing the Census Bureau. What a coincidence that this move is being enacted just as a token Republican is appointed Commerce Sec.

The Department of Commerce can't hide its methods. The White House is not nearly so required to disclose its workings.

Seeing as the law clearly states that the Census Bureau be run by the Department of Commerce and a multitude of statutes regulate what of its documents can be view by anyone else, I have to wonder what possible explanation Obama can give for this move. I've always been suspicious of Obama. His hiding his studies, his rhetoric-appealing-to-the-ignorant-void-of-actual-substance, his rhetoric of HOPE and CHANGE followed by appointing no one remotely interested in change to any position, his willingness to befriend people who are unapologetic in their actions seeking to kill innocent human beings; someone justify this move. I'm starting to see slime, not just suspect that it has to be all over him.

3,769

(154 replies, posted in Politics)

Goodbye Shirly!!

3,770

(215 replies, posted in Politics)

Maybe he was aiming for it but that's the closest he could find? Kids these days are just so incompetent. I remember my brother bringing that home on discs, testing bombs he and associates had made in the back yard... They just don't make 'em like they used to.

3,771

(2 replies, posted in Politics)

Obama brings HOPE and CHANGE! Change away from the old lobbyist driven Washington politics of trading favors with special interest groups and Washington insiders to... filling his staff positions with Washington insiders and lobbyists like William Lynn and William V. Corr!

3,772

(215 replies, posted in Politics)

Jump. Jump now.

3,773

(3 replies, posted in Politics)

I hereby declare war on all those who use, have ever used, or will ever use the word "chillax."

3,774

(15 replies, posted in Politics)

It's 2009. You don't have to eat your family because of a bad fishing year anymore.

Edit: Yes, I did just say "It's 2008."

3,775

(51 replies, posted in Politics)

Debt is not a problem unless the collector is hurting you over it. Some nations get away with not paying their debts MUCH better than others. A debt is just a deficit from some time past. It's continual and massive deficit spending that is a problem. Someone always paying for it.