the act of producing and delivering basic needs is something peopel charge for according to their expectations

>>""He could shove to make them more popular...but being a leader of a group is not the Ron Paul brand..."

That Republicrats like you want more government and more promises financed on the backs our children is not an argument against Rep. Paul. Try harder. That half of this country supports socialists is not an argument against Rep. Paul. Try harder.<<

Maybe Ron Paul could try harder to find an alternative to the Republican Party -- but as I have said, he does not want to lead a coalition of like-minded people in Congress towards enacting laws.  He wants to spend his life being the little underdog repeatedly defeated by the System.  It pays so much better than obstetrics. 

>>"You don't want Ron Paul building cooperation with the warmongers and bedroom police."
So what? They're not willing to cooperate, so whether he should or should not give in to unconstitutional practices is a moot point.<<

So you'd rather root for a deliberate failure.

>>You're being a dipshit. I've explained that $1 trillion is more than $17 million, but this is over your head.<<

$1 trillion of hypothetical cuts that WILL NOT HAPPEN and you have said as much yourself, the idea that Ron Paul is going to influence the budget is "silly", the value of a failed proposal is: $0.

Ron Paul has cost America $17 million in real money.  That's actual dollars, not talk.

>>I've explained repeatedly how Paul is far, far, far more fiscally conservative than Tancredo. It's beyond debate. It's a fact.<<

It's bullshit.  He proposes cuts that won't happen and doesn't make effort to bring them about. Ron Paul is about TALKING about cuts, not enacting cuts.

>>If you want to pretend to be too stupid to understand basic math, that's on you. But literally anybody reading this thread already knows why Tancredo is not more fiscally conservative than Paul and you're just embarrassing yourself.<<

$0 of bullshit, accumulating interest over 30 years, = $0.   
$17 million of pork paid out cost us $17 million plus interest.

>>"I then personally called for $3.5 trillion in annual cuts, demonstrating that I, not Ron Paul, am most serious about deficit reduction.  Do the math: I've called for more than 3x the cuts as Ron Paul.  The fact that neither I nor Ron Paul am seriously working towards that goal, you have said, is irrelevant to the luster we earn by calling for it."
And I was kind enough to grace this juvenile nonsense with a response and I even went so far as to name the fallacy which you were spamming me with.<<

And you got it totally wrong, accusing me of trying to label Paul as an "anarchist".  I'm just making my own impracticable, worthless offer of cuts that won't happen.  And because I used bigger numbers in my phony scheme than other people, by your same logic you use to praise Ron Paul, -I- am more conservative than Ron Paul.  That's the reasoning you used to dismiss Tom Tancredo: he didn't offer a doomed scheme as grandiose as Ron Paul.

there is every reason to think the rising cost of having kids has more to do with the lower levels of society demanding more money for the same job their great-grandparents did, in order to obtain a better lifestyle, than to blame a cabal of the 1%

>>He's very alone in his view that we should follow the law and Constitution. He's very alone in his desire to cut the budget. All he can do is make his case and hope that more people will stop being retarded. Yes, it's a good thing he's not shutting up in order to get more bribes like most Republicans and Democrats. Yes, it's a good thing that he's still vocal and making his case that 16 trillion dollars in debt is bad. By being overly vague you're pretending it's a bad thing that he's keeping up the good fight, despite the fact that lots of schmucks like you love Republicrats and don't give a damn what you're doing to our country with this debt.<<

My whole point is that Ron Paul the man could do a lot more than lose on his own every year for 30 years (after feathering his nest) but that is the whole point of the Ron Paul brand, that is his gimmick.

>>I didn't criticize people making small, but positive, changes. Try to name a few. It won't be easy.<<

Yes you did, you refer to them collectively as thieves and in no way as good as Ron Paul.

>>He can do something: Make his case. Cry about it all you want, he supports balanced budgets and Republicrats support theft, debt, and war for profit/NWO compliance.<<

See right there.

>>And then you go on to childishly propose that Ron Paul is an anarchist and attack that straw-man. You really believe we need the Fed and all of our unconstitutional massive social programs? You're a sheep.<<

NOPE.  -I- was being an anarchist, because you said Ron Paul gets the trophy for (pointlessly) demanding the biggest cuts.  I came up with more cuts than Ron Paul (uselessly).  That makes me uber.

what position did Pele play

for your edification

"The garrison being asleep, except the sentries, we gave three huzzas, which greatly surprised them. One of the sentries made a pass at one of my officers with a charged bayonet, and slightly wounded him. My first thought was to kill him with my sword; but, in an instant, I altered the design and fury of the blow to a slight cut on the side of the head, upon which he dropped his gun, and asked quarter, which I readily granted him, and demanded of him the place where the commanding officer kept; he showed me a pair of stairs in the front of a barrack, on the west part of the garrison, which led up to a second story in said barrack, to which I immediately repaired, and ordered the commander, Captain de la Place, to come forth instantly, or I would sacrifice the whole garrison; at which the Captain came immediately to the door, with his breeches in his hand, when I ordered him to deliver me the fort instantly; he asked me by what authority I demanded it: I answered him, 'In the name of the great Jehovah and the Continental Congress.'

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/ethanallen.htm

only people I hear about getting viruses are Irans nuke program

.... Flint wtf are you hauling

"The notion that he could muster the votes is laughable. Your argument is laughable. All he can do is make his case publicly and argue it, which he does. To claim he doesn't want what he openly has called for for decades because he can't get it passed is just stupid. He's doing what he can. "

I can't blame him because he can't change anything

I should praise him for talking about changing everything

Even though he can't change anything

Talking about changing everything makes him better

Some people change some things

They suck compared to a guy who talks about changing everything

Even though he can do nothing

arent you primos irl attorney?

IBD At Kimberlin Hearing: Walker Handcuffed, 1st Amendment Muzzled
By David Hogberg      
Tue., May 29, 2012 8:27 PM ET
Tags: Brett Kimberlin - Aaron Walker - Freedom of Speech
With all of the attention surrounding Brett Kimberlin, I attended Tuesday

Bacchus I recommend you learn to make guncotton and guanadine so you can handload forever.

I rejected the GOP because they are on the same con as Ron Paul, whining about the same shit for 30 years and never fixing it.  Apart from Russian Communism what problems do we have in 2012 that they weren't complaining about in 1976?  Just don't  tell me Ron Paul is better.

"You're speaking about 17 million in spending as if it's a problem when Paul supports MASSIVE cuts in spending."

Yeah, in a way that is sure to fail and he doesn't care that it fails, he keeps doing it that way because he can call himself a hero.    Grover Norquist has done more to make effective change than Ron Paul, because Norquist caresa bout actual reform more than Ron Paul.

"when it's the Amerikan people like you responsible for filling Congress with corrupt Republicrats who agree on spending and support unconstitutional spending programs--the real source of the deficit and debt."

And Ron Paul's solution is to campaign within the Republikan party and endorse its nominee.  YEAH THAT WILL SHOW YOU YOU BASTARDS