Ron Paul has accepted earmarks.

Ron Paul accepts/requests/gets spending appropriations or whatever, the current form of earmarks.

This is a fact. Nobody disputes this. But let's look at some more facts:

Discretionary spending, including earmarks and such appropriations, are a tiny portion of the budget. They are, subsequently, a tiny portion of the deficit/debt problem.

Ron Paul has openly argued for real cuts to actual government spending in amounts that matter. Very few others have the balls to join him in arguing for fiscal sanity, because it's easier to get votes for morons who will vote against changes until the government can't borrow more money and social welfare programs cease to exist.

He is arguing that Ron Paul says one thing, means another.

Which is what ALL Conservatives say about him!!!1!!11!One!1OneOneOne!

Bacchus I recommend you learn to make guncotton and guanadine so you can handload forever.

I rejected the GOP because they are on the same con as Ron Paul, whining about the same shit for 30 years and never fixing it.  Apart from Russian Communism what problems do we have in 2012 that they weren't complaining about in 1976?  Just don't  tell me Ron Paul is better.

"You're speaking about 17 million in spending as if it's a problem when Paul supports MASSIVE cuts in spending."

Yeah, in a way that is sure to fail and he doesn't care that it fails, he keeps doing it that way because he can call himself a hero.    Grover Norquist has done more to make effective change than Ron Paul, because Norquist caresa bout actual reform more than Ron Paul.

"when it's the Amerikan people like you responsible for filling Congress with corrupt Republicrats who agree on spending and support unconstitutional spending programs--the real source of the deficit and debt."

And Ron Paul's solution is to campaign within the Republikan party and endorse its nominee.  YEAH THAT WILL SHOW YOU YOU BASTARDS

You forgot Welfare reform Chris.

Also while the Establishment GOP won't do crap the Tea Party and Conservatives will keep pushing for Cap and Balance. If we can get rid of Tom Tancredo, Boehner, and say fifteen other 'prominment' Republicans and replace them with real Conservatives... we will win this war.

Btw Chris when Bush said drill off coast for oil he had a real effect.

I don't like Romney, but he won't close shop on oil drilling.

Meanwhile Ron Paul has not sponsored drilling rights bills but instead has Porked on alternative energy.

In the Alternate Star Trek Universe Ron Paul acts like a Liberal in talk and a Conservative in actions.

I could say Ron Paul rules but that would not be how I act.

Let's say I suddenly say I love higher taxes, I want a Obama for life, and Environmentalist are right and we must cease all economic activity before we ruin Gaia.

Let's say I keep that verbally for life, but when it came to voting I vote against taxes, again cap and tax, against Obama for life, and to imprison environmentalists who file lawsuits with no truth behind them a lot.

Then I would be the reverse Ron Paul.

"The notion that he could muster the votes is laughable. Your argument is laughable. All he can do is make his case publicly and argue it, which he does. To claim he doesn't want what he openly has called for for decades because he can't get it passed is just stupid. He's doing what he can. "

I can't blame him because he can't change anything

I should praise him for talking about changing everything

Even though he can't change anything

Talking about changing everything makes him better

Some people change some things

They suck compared to a guy who talks about changing everything

Even though he can do nothing

I say Disband the Federal Government AND lease the vast lands it owns! 5t > 3.5t

Flint > Chris

And that is why he will always remain an amateur!

for your edification

"The garrison being asleep, except the sentries, we gave three huzzas, which greatly surprised them. One of the sentries made a pass at one of my officers with a charged bayonet, and slightly wounded him. My first thought was to kill him with my sword; but, in an instant, I altered the design and fury of the blow to a slight cut on the side of the head, upon which he dropped his gun, and asked quarter, which I readily granted him, and demanded of him the place where the commanding officer kept; he showed me a pair of stairs in the front of a barrack, on the west part of the garrison, which led up to a second story in said barrack, to which I immediately repaired, and ordered the commander, Captain de la Place, to come forth instantly, or I would sacrifice the whole garrison; at which the Captain came immediately to the door, with his breeches in his hand, when I ordered him to deliver me the fort instantly; he asked me by what authority I demanded it: I answered him, 'In the name of the great Jehovah and the Continental Congress.'

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/ethanallen.htm

>>He's very alone in his view that we should follow the law and Constitution. He's very alone in his desire to cut the budget. All he can do is make his case and hope that more people will stop being retarded. Yes, it's a good thing he's not shutting up in order to get more bribes like most Republicans and Democrats. Yes, it's a good thing that he's still vocal and making his case that 16 trillion dollars in debt is bad. By being overly vague you're pretending it's a bad thing that he's keeping up the good fight, despite the fact that lots of schmucks like you love Republicrats and don't give a damn what you're doing to our country with this debt.<<

My whole point is that Ron Paul the man could do a lot more than lose on his own every year for 30 years (after feathering his nest) but that is the whole point of the Ron Paul brand, that is his gimmick.

>>I didn't criticize people making small, but positive, changes. Try to name a few. It won't be easy.<<

Yes you did, you refer to them collectively as thieves and in no way as good as Ron Paul.

>>He can do something: Make his case. Cry about it all you want, he supports balanced budgets and Republicrats support theft, debt, and war for profit/NWO compliance.<<

See right there.

>>And then you go on to childishly propose that Ron Paul is an anarchist and attack that straw-man. You really believe we need the Fed and all of our unconstitutional massive social programs? You're a sheep.<<

NOPE.  -I- was being an anarchist, because you said Ron Paul gets the trophy for (pointlessly) demanding the biggest cuts.  I came up with more cuts than Ron Paul (uselessly).  That makes me uber.

"My whole point is that Ron Paul the man could do a lot more than lose on his own every year for 30 years...."

How? By not holding unpopular positions like defending the constitution and wanting to cut popular social programs which are bankrupting the nation?"

Is it writ in stone that they be unpopular?  Are we doomed?
He could shove to make them more popular...but being a leader of a group is not the Ron Paul brand...you've given hints of that VKemp, in praising him for being uniquely better than ALL others.

You don't want Ron Paul building cooperation with the warmongers and bedroom police.

"You're just vaguely accusing me of overgeneralizing when I haven't even accused any individual. Cute."

You didn't accuse any individual, you accused EVERY individual.  That is what you did when you said 100% of Republicans were worse than Ron Paul. 

"You're assuming that, because real cuts (his) are good, then cutting everything must be better; Reductio ad absurdum fallacy. In general you assume his solutions are too extreme and therefore scary and bad; golden mean fallacy."

NO

You said I couldn't find one example of a guy more conservative than Ron Paul.

I found one, Tom Tancredo who personally asked for $475,000 for his district compared to Ron Paul's $17 million.

You then said that as Ron Paul calls for $1 trillion in hypothetical cuts he is permitted to have $17 million in actual pork.

I then personally called for $3.5 trillion in annual cuts, demonstrating that I, not Ron Paul, am most serious about deficit reduction.  Do the math: I've called for more than 3x the cuts as Ron Paul.  The fact that neither I nor Ron Paul am seriously working towards that goal, you have said, is irrelevant to the luster we earn by calling for it.