3,376

(62 replies, posted in Questions)

#general?

3,377

(9 replies, posted in General)

How can it be advertising for a game that's closing down?

3,378

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

The problem with the Gulf War was that the conflict was so short that there was little time for people to begin losing support for the campaign.  So no, a parallel can't be drawn.

3,379

(45 replies, posted in History)

1: Decided that, since octarine was slightly more expensive than the other resources, it would be a brilliant idea for me, as a Revalon, to base my strat on building OCs and selling the octarine.

2: Looking at the market.  Seeing the "need" section.  Thinking that was a statement telling me what I needed.  Realizing I didn't know how to actually get 2,000,000 food two seconds into the game, and that I somehow must have screwed up my empire, as an economic collapse and utter starvation of the population was now inevitable.  Deleted.

3: Day before a war, I sent 128 million gc to an inactive guy with 9 planets because someone impersonated him in the chat and told me he needed aid.  Two weeks later, the guy who actually played that account said "Thanks!  That really helped my research funding!"

4: As an attacker, maliciously beat the crap out of this one family.  All was going well until I found out they were our allies.  It's always fun to try and explain that it wasn't betrayal.  It was stupidity.

5: A few ticks before a war:
Torqez: "Okay, so how many lasers do you have on your planets."
Me: "Lasers?"

6: Three weeks after I signed into this game, started flaming people in the forums, calling them noobs.  (Yes, this was when I first got internet access and gained that original power of anonymity... and proceeded to abuse it)

7: As attacker, spent a few days building up for a nicely sized army.  First attack: Forgot to send bombers.

3,380

(282 replies, posted in General)

Sushi

Be the last survivor in a post-nuclear war world or the last survivor in a post-extinction level asteroid impact world?

3,381

(187 replies, posted in Politics)

and that means what for the rest of the world?

3,382

(167 replies, posted in General)

Two roles killed right from the start... hmm...

3,383

(30 replies, posted in Politics)

> [RPA] Arocalex wrote:

> Overlord



SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS!

3,384

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

The objective is a couple things:

No, I'm not saying we should institute any policy for the War on Terror.  Honestly, I think the ship has sailed: leadership calling for revolutionary changes in everyday lives can only happen shortly after the event that necessitates the change.  Otherwise, the threat that necessitates change isn't seen as close to home, causing the citizenship to disassociate from the original threat.  It would be kind of like if we didn't declare war on Japan until 1945, and justified it through the Pearl Harbor attack... doesn't make sense.

Rather, this is more of a case study.  It does two things:
1: Monday night quarterbacking on the War on Terror.  Essentially, looking back at 2001 and seeing what could have been done better.  The thesis here is that if the US made some explicit policy that took resources from individuals and put them into the war effort, the individuals would take the war more seriously, and would support the war.

Think 1984: The thesis behind the government was that if the nation was engaged in constant warfare, the government could justify taking every resource from the people, bringing them to the brink of starvation, and those people would only love the government more because they see their loss as a great sacrifice.  While I don't advocate the ends of the 1984 society or the drastic nature of their rationing, the political method doesn't necessarily lead to the end result, as can be seen by the WW1 and WW2 United States.  Thus, from a psychological perspective, we can learn a great deal from this.

2: Use the War on Terror as an empirical example of the results of different wartime economy models and their effects on the war.  Twenty years from now, people will look back on the War on Terror just as we look back on World War 2, Vietnam, and other wars to better learn if, when, and how wars should be fought.  I'm using the War on Terror to explain how the warfare in large part depends on the government's willingness to temporarily take steps to militarize the economy.

3,385

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

@Ehawk

First, thanks for your input.  It's always interesting to hear input on these issues from the perspective of soldiers who are more a part of these issues.

1: In World War 2, Roosevelt had huge command of the media, partly due to media controls and partly due to media support for the war.  As a result, most war news had either positive spin or was left unspoken.  So the issue about the media reporting the bad news is definitely with merit.

But remember also that there is a fundamental difference in what we define as "bad news."  Nations with wartime mobilized populations tend to be much more accepting of casualties, in that large campaigns risking a large amount of lives were acceptable in order to win the greater war and save countless more lives.

Now, it's fundamentally different.  One life lost is bad.  There is no look at the overarching goals of the campaign.  Thus, unless you capture Saddam or make some major news headline victory, a battle is either a non-event (if it's a relatively simple mission) or a loss (if an American or a civilian dies), regardless of the actual military effects of the campaign.


As for the issue of the media's effect on soldier efficiency, I never really thought of that... though part of the issue there is inherent media bias: if every news agency was completely in support of the war, a mission that turned out less than perfect would be spun as a win, so the military didn't need to worry about it.  But yeah, I'm going to agree that the media today isn't helping with the war for the most part.


One question on this, though: Was there ever any difference between your effectiveness based on the news agency following you?



2: Compare this to World War 2.  Granted, World War 2 had the draft which satisfied much of the need for troops.  But above that, the American culture encouraged people to enlist.  As is my example with Great Britain, people who didn't enlist were ostracized.

Now, you're trying to sell enlistment to people by not even focusing on the conflict.  Yes, it's an effective strategy.  However, it tells a greater message about public opinion...

Frankly, the new wartime system is a terrible way to mobilize the nation, because it relies on choice without a cultural shift.  The military is probably fighting an uphill battle in recruiting using economic incentives, although they have good incentives, because it is appealing at the individual level.  At that level, your own life is the #1 most important thing.  Those kind of soldiers are bad because they expect the military to be a way to achieve the goals of the individual, not the nation, which just isn't the military's job.

3,386

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

After typing a reply for an hour, a computer glitch messed up my reply.  I'm replying one at a time, starting with Lizon (only because I want a bigger reply to Ehawk).

@Lizon

The heck?  100% of my post assumes the fundamental difference between the wars.

Because World War 1 and 2 required massive amounts of economic resources, the total war mentality was triggered.  This sent a fundamental message to the American people: we are heading into a dark hour.  The entire nation would have to fundamentally change until the war ended.  Be prepared for what is to come.  The war was so big that it did come home to the people.  In short, the civilians became soldiers in a way.

Thus, when the people came into the war knowing that they were in for a long fight, they were more accepting of demands necessary for the war effort.  Rationing of food (within survivable limits), calls to recycle scrap metal and spare tires, and the lack of any civilian automobiles produced during the war were only a few of the many sacrifices which people simply accepted.


The War on Terror is different.  It doesn't require the massive mobilization, as most troops initially had sufficient supplies to fight a war (equipment deficiencies do exist later in the war, but many were due to political issues preventing supplies, which are addressed here).  Thus, no industrial mobilization was needed.  No rationing of resources.  No added taxes.  Civilian lifestyles were seen as "business as usual," since that is what was necessary for the war effort (keep the regular economy rolling and retain popular support for the war).


Thus, without a civilian mobilization, their mindsets didn't change to a wartime mindset.  The fundamentally different scale of the war prevented any need for a militarization of the civilian sector, which in effect prevented the civilian sector from accepting that we are in a wartime world.

3,387

(167 replies, posted in General)

OMG!  It's like a terrible Battlestar Galactica ripoff!  tongue

3,388

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

1914

World War 1 had just begun.  Germany was facing war against both Russia to the East and France and Britain to the West.  Any failure on either front meant Germany was doomed.  Knowing this, Germany had to change its economy into an entirely war-dedicated economy, calling on the people to give whatever resources they could to the war effort.  The other Allies, eventually finding that the Great War would last much longer than the few months they originally envisioned, began a series of social changes to mobilize the entire nation for war, transforming civilian factories into military factories and instituting the draft to fight the war effort.

In many nations, we can see that this war mobilization actually helped to boost morale initially.
Example: In Britain, certain people were banned from joining the military because they were seen as being a better aid to the war movement at home than abroad, such as people with specialized skills in factories.  These people were regularly attacked by the civilian population because, since there was initially no distinction, many were thought to be just sitting at home when their country needed them to fight a war, and were ostracized (this was later fixed with the issuing of special armbands that designated such workers).

Originally, the regions all saw a huge level of support in their respective countries.  Depending on the resources taken, however, the initial patriotism turned into a sour disapproval for the war, especially in Central Powers countries such as Austria where food was the rationed resource.  This demonstrates that nations in total wars tend to experience a shift in public support in which, given both a proper justification of the war and when playing a part in the war, the people will initially feel a sense of nationalism, fueling the war effort, but will eventually show that nationalism transform into disdain for the government when the people feel that too much is being put into a war and the possible benefits of victory and the moral imperative of fighting are outweighed by the possible benefits of settling peace with the enemy and getting back to a pre-war lifestyle.  We have sort of a bell curve of public support in this sense.

There are a few examples of the war economy's initial patriotism benefit, including US war mobilization during both World Wars.  Little things, such as recycling scrap metal and saving rubber tires, were highly necessary for the war movement.  But in addition, they also brought an otherwise foreign war closer to home by telling the civilian population that they were helping win the war through their help.

Without this initial war mobilization, wars are seen as distant and not having a potential existential threat to the individual.  Without some reason why you are individually a part of a war, your attachment and awareness of the war is faded, and the call for continued support on a policy level is met with deaf ears.


Now fast forward.  9/11/01.  The beginning of a new war.  The drafting of a new plan for war.

What did the United States need?  We didn't need massive manpower, as the massive tank vs. tank wars of WW2 wouldn't happen this time around.  We wouldn't need a massive amount of tanks or aircraft built, since the US already had what it needed.  Natural resources were mostly available.

So what did we need, then?  Two things:
1: A flourishing economy in order to pay for wars in Afghanistan and later Iraq.
2: Support, in the form of local counter-terrorism intelligence and patriotic support.

Following 9/11, Bush tried to make this argument, telling people that they needed to live out their everyday lives.  But the problem is that there is no revolution at that point.  When you are told to go buy lots of Christmas presents for your kids as a contribution to the war effort, there's no sacrifice, which prevents any patriotic mobilization.

Granted, there was a bell curve of patriotism in the War on Terror.  However, consider that the bell curve managed to come to a crash after only a couple years of the war, with absolutely no resources taken out of the economy.  In contrast, World War 2 saw a strong support for the war in the US for 4 years without a problem, despite huge amounts of failures in the war initially (Allies pushed back to Midway in the Pacific, Russia seems to be failing, and Britain's outlook seems bleak).


In contrast, I would argue that the post-9/11 response should have included some form of war economy incorporation of the war effort to the civilian population.  For example, a small tax increase could have been established, called a "Freedom Tax" or something of that sort.  Granted, it wouldn't be that much of a war economy interaction, since its severance from the status quo is small.  But it's something.


Alternatively, the US could have used energy conservation as a warfighting measure.  The claim has always been made that oil dependence makes the US dependent on unstable regimes like Venezuela and other oil nations (which is probably bullshit, considering the country we get the most oil from is Canada).  But the argument has at least some merit in terms of prices (a reduction in US use of oil would reduce the demand for oil, driving down the price).  Thus, as a war economy measure, the US could have called people to conserve energy at home.  That would have practical applications for the war effort, and might help out the economy at home through added energy efficiency.  And, by consequence, we have at least a possibility of accessing the war economy-level patriotism for the War on Terror that is critical to the success of wars in democracies.



Thoughts?

3,389

(17 replies, posted in General)

No, The_Yell!  No Omega Particles for you!

3,390

(11 replies, posted in Politics)

I thought xeno was Chinese.  I remember during the swine flu conspiracy thread, after the OP posted about 6 different Youtube videos, xeno clearly asked for someone to tell him what the videos were about, because the Chinese government wouldn't allow them to watch youtube videos.

(If this is true, it makes your argument about a zillion times more plausible)

3,391

(116 replies, posted in Politics)

> Schniepel wrote:

> Thank you for not at all answering my question.
Do medications have to be approved by any instance in the US or are they free to be sold when the developer says so?


Medications in the US definitely have to be approved by the FDA before being sold.  That's why we don't import drugs from other countries.

3,392

(83 replies, posted in Politics)

What the hell is the DEPO shot and how is it related to this topic?

3,393

(187 replies, posted in Politics)

> avogadro wrote:

> how is this relevant if you think the next largest religion is just as guilty if not more guilty of it? what point are you trying to make? its still pretty clear that Christianity is the largest religion and Catholicism is the largest sect of Christianity.


Because the groups that would be misrepresented in these cases include religious affiliations other than Christianity and Islam.

If Morbo's argument is that a large enough portion of people who claim to be Christians fall in a category that is in fact a false claim, either because they are socially intimidated or because they're non-practicing members, then it means the number of atheists is vastly greater than what would be projected.




Are you really a Catholic if you only go to church on Christmas and Easter?  Are you really a Muslim if you no longer pray five times a day?

3,394

(57 replies, posted in Community)

> Justinian I wrote:

> Moreover, I do not think a degree is going to help my income very much, since I did not pick a marketable major.



If I find out you're a postmodern philosophy major... that will officially confirm that IC is a lie...

3,395

(30 replies, posted in Politics)

@LP

You only need one nuclear warhead to be strategically important.

With the V2 rocket, Germany would have been able to launch a nuclear warhead at pretty much any target in Europe, including Moscow and London.  One attack against Moscow would have wiped out the Soviet central command and taken a huge chunk out of the Soviet economy.  Considering that the USSR was centrally planned, there would have been a disorganization in at least the Russian nation's economy, if not the entire Soviet economy.  Furthermore, that's a huge blow to the Soviet military command structure, disorganizing the Eastern Front.

I'm not too sure about the potential applications on the Western front during the later parts of the war... maybe a reopening of the Battle of Britain?

3,396

(83 replies, posted in Politics)

As has been stated above, DPS is probably correct: Industrialized nations are showing that nations can increase production without raising population growth rates.

And hey, there's always space travel.  smile

3,397

(187 replies, posted in Politics)

> avogadro wrote:

> also, morbo, since when has Christianity been cool?


Um... probably every time in every region where Christianity was THE dominating religion... (I'm thinking Middle Age Europe...)

In regions where there is some social stigma against being non-Christian (which actually may exist in at least some regions... I know Italy has an extremely strong pro-Christianity stance), there probably is motivation for someone to say they're Christian, but not practice it.


It's pretty much like saying that Saddam Hussein was clearly the best choice for President in Iraq since he got 100% of the vote in the last election.  smile


Now, I'm not saying that the problem is purely a Christian issue.  In fact, I would say that Islam probably has a huge ratio of people claiming to be Muslim, yet being of some other religious teaching, considering the huge penalties for converting from Islam that exist in some countries (Afghanistan tried to condemn someone to death for converting from Islam).

3,398

(187 replies, posted in Politics)

Hey, avo, do you have those statistics for when you break down Christianity and Islam into their subunits?  (Catholicism, Protestantism, Shiite, Sunni, etc)

3,399

(30 replies, posted in Politics)

1: Germany still had the V2 rocket as a launch mechanism.  Even if Germany didn't have air superiority, they could have still launched the rocket.
2: Debate 101: When the issue in question is a statement of fact, rather than a normative question, you can't argue it analytically.  Only evidence can win the debate.

Translation: I'm calling both of you guys out!  Sources on whether Germany banned atomic bomb development!

3,400

(83 replies, posted in Politics)

So, how about that topic?  Anyone else want to comment in a completely on-topic way?