"to assert that truth is subjective is still equivalent to asserting that there is no truth"

what line of reasoning leads you to that conclusion?

"If truth is subjective, then truth is not objective. If truth is not objective, then that is still a self-contradiction."

if truth is subjective then truth is objective and subjective.

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they had a secret meeting, and who ever fulfilled the mods needs(sexually) was into their little club and in on the dirty little secret icon8"

theres one problem with that,  not even the most desperate mods would ask the yell to fulfill their sexual needs.

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As I explained before, virginity is a discriminating factor. Allowing them to be sued, would only encourage discrimination."

virginity discriminates, a society doesnt discriminate because they think virginity is important. i dont see how allowing them to be sue would encourage discrimination.

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That doesn't make it less horrible. Being excommunicated from whatever community is always a bad thing. Yes, she could tell that, but that doesn't change the problem. Similar things happened with women who were still virgins but didn't bleed after their first time. They too get the same treatment."

if they dont want to be excommunicated from their community maybe they shouldnt do something that would excommunicate them from their community? its not like these women dont have self-control.

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I disagree with that. I have various muslim friends and family members, don't try to make me look like a racist in disguise. The things is that we should always be critical, the thing that I critisize the urban muslim culture doesn't automaticly make me disrespective. It's a fact that women are discriminated in some of these metropolitan muslim communities. This can be proven with the increasing number of honor-murders (commited by a familymember of the always female victim for having a questionable virginity status), no single murder victim was male. How can you possibly claim that it's not about discrimination?"

i dont deny that muslim women are being discriminated against in muslim communities. just because muslim communities often discriminate against women, doesnt mean a individual's rights should be revoked, and being tricked into marrying dirt shouldnt be allowed. if you got married only to discover that your partner was a rapist and he paid some hacker to destroy any evidence of what he did, do you think you shouldnt be able to get it annulled despite rape discriminating against men, and allowing you to annul it would just promote discrimination against men? oh yeah, its different because you think virginity isnt as significant, but if a culture did, they should be able to a null it.

thats bull[crap], there was nothing against forum rules.

[how about no?]

joor, he means the people on a leash that arent married or engaged yet. he isnt talking about players. players are still single.

"So Avo..... Once again, you play both sides of the argument with a non-post.

You agree w/the critics.
and you agree with the premise of the article."

another non-post? i almost always take a stand on the issues, i have too. it is obvious that less educated people are less likely to question their religion; but the conclusions that the guy trys to draw from it are idiotic.

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The whole virginity thing is discriminating, as it only applies for women."

men also loose their virginity....

"It's discriminating cause women are the ones who have to undergo the operation and have to pay for the whole thing."

women dont need to undergo an operation at all. and those that do to hide that they lost their virginity are committing fraud and should be arrested.

"As you said it's a cultural thing, but we shouldn't bend our laws for certain groups for such things, defenatly if they're as discriminating as this."

i dont see how its bending the law. if the women found out that the man wasnt a virgin, as long as your laws would allow her to do the same thing, i dont see how its discriminating.

"Regarding such things as fraud would only encourage cases like this, and women who aren't a virgin anymore will be regarded as "social widows"."

they would only be considered social widows in the small muslin community. most men wouldnt care, or alot of men, you can tell that it broke while riding a horse...

"It's not about disrespcting their culture (wich I find an offensive remark), it's about drawing the line between culture and constitution."

its about being threatened by their culture so you're looking for areas where your rights are threatened so that you can attack it. muslims didnt create women with hymen. evolution did. its a weaker case to argue discrimination against women in this area then it is to argue discrimination against men because when we conceive a human embryo with a woman, the woman gets to make all the decisions regarding the embryo.

the guy repeatedly confuses intelligence with education and i agree with his critics that his conclusions seem quite simplistic.  i agree that less educated people are less likely to question the beliefs they were raised with, making them more likely to believe in a God.

> Alan Statham wrote:

> Not at all. This is estethic surgery, much like a boobjob or something.

you mean boobjob's arent included in the healthcare? what kind of horrid place do you live in?!

gladiator, your infatuation with Obama doesnt categorize you as having a bf; you're still single.

didnt Romney only suspend his campaign also?