26 Reply by East (edited by East 14-Jun-2008 11:02:41)

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Re: Euro-Islam Finds Use For Borg-Style Regeneration

"how is 1 culture more valid then another?<
I think he lookes at it from his own biased point of view"

a cultures "validity" essentially means that the underlying premises to their world views are true or not; culture is a collection of reasonments which can be either rational and testable or (irrational, untestable) beliefs; now you cannot disprove whether marrying an unvirgin is a bad thing or not; but it is testable whether someone has had sex or not so if your culture background tells you to look at your woman's hymen to tell if she is a virgin or not, then this is not valid reasoning; if your culture leads you to reject testable truths as untruths or vice versa, then there is something off big_smile

if you say that one culture cannot be more valid than another, you are essentially whitteling down the notion of culture into untestable beliefs; I don't think it is the case, wrong but testable reasonments lead to irrational beliefs and irrational beliefs can lead to wrong but testable reasonments

now I'm not very knowledgeable of this sort of antropologic mumbo jumbo, but the above is what I believe tongue

there is of course a difference between validity of a culture and superiority between different cultures (I do believer that it is possible for a culture to be inferior), but that is for a different topic

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27 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 14-Jun-2008 14:43:00)

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Re: Euro-Islam Finds Use For Borg-Style Regeneration

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As I explained before, virginity is a discriminating factor. Allowing them to be sued, would only encourage discrimination."

virginity discriminates, a society doesnt discriminate because they think virginity is important. i dont see how allowing them to be sue would encourage discrimination.

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That doesn't make it less horrible. Being excommunicated from whatever community is always a bad thing. Yes, she could tell that, but that doesn't change the problem. Similar things happened with women who were still virgins but didn't bleed after their first time. They too get the same treatment."

if they dont want to be excommunicated from their community maybe they shouldnt do something that would excommunicate them from their community? its not like these women dont have self-control.

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I disagree with that. I have various muslim friends and family members, don't try to make me look like a racist in disguise. The things is that we should always be critical, the thing that I critisize the urban muslim culture doesn't automaticly make me disrespective. It's a fact that women are discriminated in some of these metropolitan muslim communities. This can be proven with the increasing number of honor-murders (commited by a familymember of the always female victim for having a questionable virginity status), no single murder victim was male. How can you possibly claim that it's not about discrimination?"

i dont deny that muslim women are being discriminated against in muslim communities. just because muslim communities often discriminate against women, doesnt mean a individual's rights should be revoked, and being tricked into marrying dirt shouldnt be allowed. if you got married only to discover that your partner was a rapist and he paid some hacker to destroy any evidence of what he did, do you think you shouldnt be able to get it annulled despite rape discriminating against men, and allowing you to annul it would just promote discrimination against men? oh yeah, its different because you think virginity isnt as significant, but if a culture did, they should be able to a null it.

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