Newb,

Which is why abortion needs to remain an option for mothers with an unwanted pregnancy.

> CanadianTire wrote:

> Awww you guys. Thats so cute how you now each have a new Conservative friend to discuss your Nazi ideals with. Really, it's touching.

And if you let reporters broadcast the fact that your administration is giving permission to the military to kill "indiscriminately", you've opened Pandora's Box. If Bush wins a third term, your going to have civil disorder en masse.

/me gets the popcorn ready >>

It's one thing to be a Liberal, and people who have seen my posts can infer that I have many non-conservative views. However, these people who are protesting are mostly poor Americans, with an underdeveloped intellect, who are spewing silly nonsense and causing disorder. They are spreading words like racism and oppression around while fully misrepresenting them. They are the non-intellectual, unwashed, and die-hard liberal camp of the "hip hop generation" who love to postulate entitlements and rights without any intellectual basis. I do not have a problem with liberals themselves, but it's the far left nutjobs (who are frequently from the lower-echelons of American society) and hip hop generation who infuriate me and create a feeling of elitism and a desire for anti-working class authoritarianism in America.

What you are seeing on my part is not anti-liberalism, it's classism. And middle class Americans (such as myself) frequently hate and segregate from various sections of the working class.

PS: Working class is defined as an annual household income of < $20,000 by working full time and if the person is over the age of 25. The nature of the work also tends to be in manual labor or the service industry, and frequently there is much supervision from management. There is a correlation between being a member of the working class and being a member of the hip hop generation. Not all working class people are bad. But the hip hop generation is full of nut jobs with a disposition to be far left. They value anti intellectualism, instant gratification, ignorance, and conspicuous stupidity. Then when they are stuck in the working class or are impoverished, they demand entitlements and more money from the middle class. And really, we're tired of them. We want them to stfu. If they're poor because they didn't seize opportunities to move up to the middle class, then it's there fault and we owe them nothing.

> Einstein wrote:

> Saw some of the stuff.

Police officers attacked deliberately, with even wood beams. Glass at jewelry stores broken. Cement trash cans tipped over, rocks thrown, etc

Btw images from the raid:

http://www.twincities.com/ci_10344356?source=email

Yeah goes to show just about unciivilized the hiphop generation is.

Military school is presently an option for parents who want to send their kids to school to learn. The idea is that they learn better from the regimented lifestyle from attending school and living there. We aren't sending them to war, lol. On second though, that might be a great idea. We can use them as diversions to be slaughtered.

On C-SPAN they were showing the protest. They gave speeches and they looked like a bunch of hip-hop generation idiots. Watching them only reinforced my elitism. I think the crowd should be dispersed by those professional officers, and we should start throwing members of the "hip hop generation" in to military school to shape them up.

Bloody savages!

> Black_Wing wrote:

> Justinian.....

Imagine, God will give you plenty of Daughters.  Imagine next generation Justinians seeking a Cheap commodity ....

Sure, no problem! It's not my problem who my daughters choose to engage in sexual activity with, and really I wouldn't care. Probably because the women in my family are sluts anyway.

BW,

I think it's great that young girls are having sex, that makes the lives of guys like me more fulfilling. Imagine a society where women forced men to wait until marriage, that would make life unfulfilling by causing a now abundant and cheap commodity to suddenly become scarce and very expensive - because due to government regulation the costs for sex would rise (a higher risk of pregnancy). Damn you for proposing that government regulate a market that makes everyone's lives better with a cheaper commodity!

> Wild Foolish Soul wrote:

> I was aiming more at proper medieval cities Justinian like Ghent, Bruges etc. They all started out as perfect democracies (Florence and Venice in fact too), but were changed into oligarchies in wich only a minority could vote.

Naw, the Venetian Republic started out with the Doge exercising autocratic power, and then becoming increasingly more Republican as the merchant class dwindled his power in the senate. It was not a democracy like ancient Athens, although the masses had a major council that enabled them to have some representation. Although later it became more oligarchic as the Doge's power further decreased and the council of ten was established.

In Florence, the anti-aristocratic movements in the 1300s lead to a merchant elite controlling the city from the get-go. The guilds always controlled the city, with the exception of some autocrats like the Medicis.

In the low countries like Ghent, the same thing was true. They were merchant cities (thanks to its wool industry) that were also controlled by the guilds and its merchant elite. The idea that they were democracies at any time is kind of silly. Why would such powerful merchants share power with pathetic peasants?

Lol, old medieval democracies? I hope you don't mean cities like Florence or Venice. While they had a front as being "Republican," they weren't democratic and voting was restricted.

Soth,

Yeah, true. I rarely ever went to St.Paul, but I sure as hell met some people from Minneapolis. I drove down there awhile ago for a party, and the people were still creepy. There were also Obama signs everywhere. One building had 5 Obama signs on just one window, lol.

But hey, Minnesota has historically been highly influenced by its Swedish immigrant population. Our culture is also very similar to Scandinavia. Compared to the rest of the US, we are more cooperative and less sociable (it's ok to be an introvert here), and we're very hard working. That and we love our meatballs!

So where in MN do you live?

Newb,

Yeah, Winnipeg is in driving distance, lol. I might go there some day, just to spend spend spend on your cheap products and meet some women.

> [RPA]Sir SupAll wrote:

> All Empire falls though. >

Pffft, just because every other empire has doesn't mean ours will. Ours might last until the earth blows up.

<I would prefer something ridiculously long like "Atlantic-Pacific Federated Provinces of America" or "APFPA".  I actually like that because of the abbreviation.  >

An interesting idea for its precision, but the idea is not to consider ourselves a federation but a nation-state.