what noir and justin said

like my point in all is that there HAS TO BE A CHOICE

you can go on and on with statistics that don't mean anything, but at the end of the day every mother, should have their own choice...

aren't republicans for choices? and not letting the government have too much control?

It is wrong for Palin or any republican to FORCE everyone to go with their way, if they feel their way is right, they can go ahead and try it, didn't work with Palin but still they have that choice,

@Gladiator

You're perfectly right in my opinion in saying there has to be choice, and that in fact it would be legitimate for the republican to throw these old religious convictions that have no place in modern USA. But the time is still not now, and the party has to keep the burden of these issues, that still draws a large amount of people in the USA today.

I'm quite sure for example that most americans on this board, republicans or not, had sex before marriage, probably not with their future wives, and I wish them so.

Having said that, you being interested in who is the most qualified, you have to agree that this story has NOTHING to do with her abilities to lead. It's just funny (I agree it is) that it backfires at her and what is VERY interesting is the way it's being handled by both parties.

Biden has received clear orders to repeat Obama's "children are off limits" line, and did so convincingly. So here we are on Fox with Nancy Pfothenhauer still having to repeat the "first reaction" of the dems, and trying to link bad remarks to Obama's camp, while the latter seem very obedient in avoiding any blunder. A bold plan is failing at the moment. That's the interesting part.

Which in my opinion also proves that she should get off-screen for a while (miss Pfothenhauer). Her good looks sure work on tv, but she is just not very good in defending the case and trying way too much to implicate the dems instead of waiting for the shot. It feels as if she's the brain behind the republicans plan of action on this one, and trying too hard to prove her point.

ok your first mistake, you're watching Fox, they'll do anything, and say anything that will make republicans look good, just like MSNBC will do/say anything for democrats

the best news channel for a mostly un-biased view has to be CNN ..start watching that more often

second point, i'm not questioning her leadership with it, i'm sure that's bad in it's own respect
i'm questioning hers and her party's standing on issues, views that have been prooven wrong, with her own daughter
offcourse i'm not saying that just cuz her daughter got pregnant, everyone else brought up with these views is guna end up pregnant ..offcourse not

but i believe the choices should be there... in the end, we say the kids are suffering when they are aborted =S... but the truth is, and chances are they will suffer even more if they're brought up with the kids mother knowing she can't handle that responsibility...

so you agree that republican leader don't mostly believe in these views and are doing it for political reasons...another reason to like democrats then

Beautiful choice at a great time.

McCain is busting chops and Obama is sucking wind, lol

lol, you tell me what just happened then gen :-p

That was a chop busting if I ever saw one.

A) Gen, do you think obama's policies really agree with 92% of black america while only agreeing with 37% of hispanics?  Obviously voters don't make sense, or that simply would not be the case.

B) The goal isn't hilary votes - it's restoring social conservative base with a candidate that is a liberal (bold if you'd rather) choice.  Neutralizing Obama's "well i haven't been infected by the good ol' boys" and neutralizing a bit of the discontent that McCain's base conservatives have with him

C) It will still pick up a good chunk of women votes

winME, i know many black people here, whoose families are liberals, share most of obama's stances but feel they have to vote this time, not only because it's a black candidate, but also because times are tough right now for them aswell

i'm not suggesting that none of them are voting for him just because he's black... but a good chunk of them share his views too

winMe..if McCain was really smart about it... and organized like obama(another great quality) he would have picked someone like Romney or Huckabee, or any of the other serious contenders
think about it, their past has already been brought into the open, there's nothing to hide there..unlike palin who no one knew, and now you have all the media running checks and you get now what like a week of controversies..(4 days atleast) these were the days the same chanels were praising obama's pick --- do you really think the media will go back in a couple of days and go like, oh and as for that VP pick a week or two ago, what a great choice huh... (even though it's not)

Gladiator - I'd suggest to you that most "Latinos" and most "african americans" are, on average, in very similar socio-economic states, in fact - it's basically a given.

So then, why is there a 60% difference in their votes?  Because Obama is black.  We're not talking about who you know, or who i know, or what they claim their justification is - we're talking quite simply that the Latino and Black populations have very similar needs on average - and yet there is a HUGE disparity between where their votes are going... so what gives? Race. Unfortunate as that is for the nation.

As to Huckabee and Romney - you're quite simply wrong.  What does Obama's campaign stand on?  "the old gentleman's club" - would have just been another of those.  NEITHER of those guys bring more votes than Palin - that's fact - because neither of them have the potential to bring any at all.  Why?  Because the alienated super-conservative base isn't all for Romney - fella's a mormon, they are Christians.  And Huckabee didn't pull jack squat :-p.  The other reason none of them bring in too many votes is that all those super-conservatives will vote for McCain anyway, in all reality - because they know that Obama is diametrically opposed to their views, and McCain might not be in line, but at least A) he's closer and B) by choosing Palin (or perhaps huckabee) he proves that he's looking out for his base.  With a conservative pick, McCain guarantees the conservative votes no matter who he picks, so why not get someone else, hm?

What Palin brings that Huckabee doesn't is:
A) Women
B) Something different, unexpected, and still perfectly formidable
C) A stunner of announcement that sucked the wind right out of the DNC wave and moved the attention back to McCain, where the media has not allowed it to be for months - and if that weren't true, you wouldn't be here talking vehemently about this :-p
D) What makes you so damn sure she has skeletons to hide?  What makes you so sure we care? I know who the lady is, I know what she stands for, and I like it - regardless of a DUI when she was 22 (just making up examples there), recreational weed usage around that same age (legit... ), or whatever you want to plug in.

Fact is, she's both tenacious and intelligent, or she wouldn't be where she is.  She's conservative.  And she creates an opposing "first time in history" to deaden the effect of Obama.  Really Gladiator - anything you dislike about her goes just as easily for Obama :-p

Now, could Obama still win? Absolutely - I haven't claimed he will or he won't - seems like a toss up... But this pick was a good one - and unfortunately, neither of our opinions matter, and never have, and never will :-p

ahh man we're back to that argument...

like i've said before in this thread, and i'll say it again
Palin might be a good pick for the election--that's still a risk aswell--but she is not a good VP choice considering McCains a 4 time cancer survivor and would be the oldest person in office

we've already had this discussion, i dont remember where it left off, we just started talking about her ugliness after

and as for the Obama and palin comparison-- 18+ million people chose Obama, 18 million people thought he was ready, and millions more think he is ready now aswell

where as we were introduced to Palin like 5 days ago?
McCain met her once before, and went with his gut feeling PROBABLY against his campaigns choice..and in the past four-five days the media has talked of nothing buy controversies and the big risk McCain took, and so much more that i wouldn't really call good coverage

and Golk, who do you think is the most un-biased news chanel then?

Even more voted against him tho

> Noir wrote:

> Even more voted against him tho
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Not necessarily.
They just didn't vote for him.

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