To be honest, me neither.

Post a link for your 28k, if my link was wrong, then I will confess.

However I bet the stake of the whole planet that you will never give a direct answer to the thing I am trying to pressure you on.

"Post a link for your 28k, if my link was wrong, then I will confess."

http://www.eurocontrol.int/statfor/gallery/content/public/analysis/EUROCONTROL%20IndustryMonitor%20Issue%20118.pdf

figure one
or
http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/154758/umfrage/anzahl-der-fluege-im-europaeischen-luftraum/#info

or if you bored you can start counting:
http://www.flightradar24.com/ 

"However I bet the stake of the whole planet that you will never give a direct answer to the thing I am trying to pressure you on."

which one?
you jump from one issue to another issues.
its hard to figure out about what you want to discuss as all.

wasn't the topic about the longterm impact that vulcano has on the clima?

V.Kemp, there are many feedback mechanisms associated with climate change, some positive (i.e. working to further increase global temperatures) and some negative (i.e. working to mitigate the warming effect). They are given as full a treatment as is possible in the IPCC reports. The full effects of feedbacks however are unknown due to the complexity of the whole system, and they are one of the biggest causes of uncertainty in modelling.

Also, discussions about potential solutions are all over the place if you would just look/listen.

If you want one to start then here is a starting point:

The western economy is market driven with relatively few government controls. The move to make the economy more environmentally friendly must either be driven by increased government control to ensure that environmentally friendly products and lifestyles are more economically advantageous or by the consumer becoming more conscientious and making more of an effort to shun environmentally unfriendly products.

If you as an individual want to reduce the pollution you are responsible for then try some of these measures: drive less, walk or cycle short distances and get public transport longer distances, take holidays closer to home and maybe go by train instead of flying, grow some of your own vegetables in your garden, use your central heating less, switch off lights when you aren't using them, buy more locally produced products. If you want your government to act more decisively to reduce emissions then use your democratic right to vote for the candidate who says they will do more to protect the environment, protest against the building of new fossil fuel burning power plants or airport expansions or any other activity which you feel might harm the environment, join the Green party.

@Chris

The thread is about global warming, a volcano, and how the planet can cope.

That was the starting threads intent

So things related to global warming in here are all fair game. Somewhat fair game with volcanos so long as global warming... and hmmm tags... I wonder if we put hyper tags at the bottom of the starting post.

Not to mention it takes more power than usage over a cars lifetime to replace it with a 'green car' early.

Facts are not the issue! No no no!

This temp change of under 1 degree will end life on Earth and you try to show facts that in a given day the variation can be 60+ degrees. Your facts are wronf!

Never mind carbon counts in the 20's were just as high as now, that's just a silly fact. I believe what my politician sells, err tells me and I will never deviate *whisper*unless he does*whisper* because every politician in my party is bunny tail fluffy, primo style gay, and is not a Republican so where can I go wrong!

P.S. natural variability

P.P.S. sorry pdfs and smart phone no work together

What I don't understand here is why nobody sees the real reason behind CO2 reduction policies. The EU hasn't got enough energy resources of its own. And it is that plain simple. They never gave a [moo] why would they care now? The electoral gain is a surplus but not the reason.

If you have to tell the people the truth: "you have to use less because of our stupid policies in the past" then there will be a riot. If you tell people its to save the planet, the might still not like it, but no riot.

Its an effective trick to control and calm down the mob by fooling them this way.

Two nations produce a similar product. One has super stupid and insane tax and green initiative policies

The other acknowledges man cannot affect the weather.

Then a third nation has a fire and cannot produce the product. They will ultimately buy from the nation without the silly cost increases.

Its economic suicide.

Yea, that is not how that works...

taxes are and policies are had over products SOLD in a country, products that are exported are not part of this.

So let's talk about this genius response

You tax your fuel, so the price of the end product increases from the shipping of stuff to make the product. You tax the power used to make the product from the smaller stuff. You tax the management because upper middleclass is to rich, thus increasing the cost, and you tax it as it gets shipped to the border.

And you say outgoing products have no taxes?

Or are you saying ezport items have no environmental requirements during their production?

Or are you just going to act like this post never happened? I would bet $50 here.

Oh and NATURAL VARIABILITY!