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> Matrix wrote:
> btw are you claiming that the growing Co2 concentratione in the air is done by an exponetional rising of vulcan activity the last 150 years?
Yes! Vulcan mind melds cause CO2 concentration! 
Oh and do not get me started on the very low figure of 150,000 to 300,000 tons a day figure.
Just by showing how much pressure it would take to go through the 'clogged' pipe and clean it out, I could arserape that miserably low figure.
Volcanic eruptions are a natural mechanism which have happened, do happen and always will happen. Earth and the atmosphere as a system can cope with changes caused by volcanic eruptions because they are part of the equilibrium state which has existed for thousands of years.
What humans have done and are doing is shifted the equilibrium by spewing out an impressive amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.
Temperature changes of 1 or 2 degrees may not sound very impressive but (1) as far as I am aware they are optimistic targets which we are likely to miss and (2) they are global average changes. Temperature changes in individual places may be much more dramatic (both warming and cooling) and may be enough to make currently habitable areas uninhabitable. There are also other factors which are not made clear from quoting just a temperature change but may be more damaging such as changes in water supply, rising seas and changes to frequency and intensity of extreme weather conditions etc.
1 to 2 degree differences
Wyoming, just recently I was driving through it (my last trip in fact)
The first day, I ran out of drive time, so I had to stop. The high was 38 degrees that day. There was snow, and the wind was about 25mph
The second day the high was 65 degrees, the snow was melted at all but the highest regions, and the wind was about 18mph.
This deviation can happen in many areas of N. America with ease. Just night time to day time there is a large deviation.
Plant life, animal life, and human life (plus sadly bacteria, viruses, molds and other life forms) are able to tolerate these changes.
These are not even deviations often!
Even in years, or in locations, where we get deviations (this years best example so far being Kentucky and other states in the are) life continues.
"Plant life, animal life, and human life (plus sadly bacteria, viruses, molds and other life forms) are able to tolerate these changes."
That's where you're wrong. Life would adapt if the climate shift was less fast. But at this rate, all they can do is just decline..
cockroaches!
"even with 4000 flights representing only 60% of Europes airtravel."
4k is 60% of 28k
interesting
btw Germany alone emits 1 mil tons less Co2 per day as 1990...
and we (Germany) still emit more as 10 times what the vulcano emits per day
Global warming people want to reduce the co2 output by an amount less than what this volcano produces.
Last but not least
EXTRA EXTRA EARTH TO DIE AT WINTER!
A poster has declared fast tempature changes are destructive to life.
Oh my gawd! Wait! Hold the presses! The snow and ice in florida! ORANGES ARE EXTINCT! Why, oh why, did we not listen....
/sarcasm
Ok everyone back to normal, I had to let my liberal side out to show how utterly silly his counter to my argument was.
So your arguing that it's good to have not one source of CO2 equal to the size of a volcanoe, but two sources of not so good for everybody CO2. How can that not have adverse effects on the enviroment.
haha humans put out a far negligible amount to even be counted in this
It is idiotic to think to control carbon dioxide versus controlling water vapor, and just as impossible.
If I do not receive a reasonable response to the issues of normal variation, and normal first, second, and third deviations, then I shall need to show, in solid math and evidence, how this volcano actually puts out a LOT more carbon than any scientist on global warmings side will admit.
Don't make me pull out my kungfoo, you won't like it
"Global warming people want to reduce the co2 output by an amount less than what this volcano produces."
so 150000 - 300000 tons bigger as 1000000 tons?
(and i'm still just using Germany and not the whole world)
kung fu!
All this talk of co2 with no proposed measures to reduce it. "We need to do something!" "What?" "I have NO idea! But we HAVE to do it NOW!"
ive stopped breathing out
"Global warming people want to reduce the co2 output by an amount less than what this volcano produces."
Proof or you're wrong. As far as I was informed on the news, the emissions of greenhouse-effect gasses were even less than the planes that couldn't go up because of it. This is the long term impact obviously. This doesn't contain the temporary effects..
I already used fact, based upon a news report of 4000 flights interupted representing 60% if air traffic according to the news
I researched maximum fuel, fuel composition, and totally farted on the lie that there is a net savings.
So go ahead, try, just try, to actually think on natural variability as a scientist, not as an emotionalist.
Btw just between you and me...
There was some rapid tempature changes over here! In less than 8 hours it went from 85 degrees to 60 degrees. *gasp*
The poor plants are going to die!!
The amount of possible life-ending natural events that can take place over the 100 years alone is staggering, simply put, i think Global warming is the least of those of which we should be spending time concerning over, i'd be more worried about Gamma, and Electromagnetism events, let alone the giant asteroid belt that isn't too far from our orbit. The time it will take for Icecap melting to make a climate effect in the salinity of the oceans will be much more substantial and with more warning than countless other astro-physical related events, stop staring at the Earth, and look up.
"I already used fact, based upon a news report of 4000 flights interupted representing 60% if air traffic according to the news
I researched maximum fuel, fuel composition, and totally farted on the lie that there is a net savings.
So go ahead, try, just try, to actually think on natural variability as a scientist, not as an emotionalist."
i already posted that 4000 isn't 60% of 28000
multiply your result times 4 and you get a number bigger as what the vulcano emits...
btw
Humans: 77895180 tons per day (2006)
your vulcano: 250000 tons per day
thats 0,3 %
woho
we screwed
And I stated the 150kto 300k is a very wrong number.
To break through to the surface, and to produce a significant exit for a wide enough plume upon exit, and so forth will be the way to gain the proper answer.
Comel back if you wish to fight a math scientist
But ONLY if you can adress natural variability, otherwise you fail automatically. YES I SAID YOU FAIL AUTOMATICALLY IF YOU CANNOT ADRESS NATURAL VARIABILITY!
You avoid it because it is the one pure truth, the most powerful effect, the one thing all of your formulas and lines, and emotions cannot handle.
Unadultrated natural variation. This includes natural 1st, 2nd, 3rd deviations. Since a 4th deviation would be a full fledged ice age, or some super hot period, I will not require you to adress that level.
Come now let's dance!
Nobody has proposed a single solution, so I don't really care if you disagree with me over how urgent the need to lower emissions is. What do you propose we do about it? Sacrifice our children to the volcano?
They might try a vague answer Kemp.
Honestly however imho we could double our output of carbon and still never see doom before the su eats the planet, triple, quadruple, to the fourth power... well maybe not that far... but no way we killing ourselves with carbon.
Honestly those that might have offered alt energy are reeling from my earlier post showing how stupid they would be to ask for it.
Grimsvotn, another highly active volcano, lies under the huge Vatnajokull glacier in Iceland
They pay no attention to science, but demand I show them studies like I care to spend hours convincing people that Al Gore isn't as full of shit now as he was 20 years ago.
There are all kinds of systems they have no awareness of. There's this great one with water, where warmer weather results in more clouds, which cool the planet. But that's hard to quantify, so they just ignore it and conclude that CO2=DEATH. When you find yourself arguing that natural volcanic activity will kill off the planet within decades, though it hasn't for millions of years, you lose my support for your argument.
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