Topic: Does it really matter?

Hey Politics, been what...? Almost 2 years since i been here, so since i missed making the rest of your look like incapable invalids (Including you "Einstein") i thought i'd come here, and debate superfluous, and overly subjective points that hold no bearing on progressive understanding of perpetual existence within politics.

That being said.

Democratic, or Republican

Right, Left.

Liberal, Conservative.

Socialist, Capitalist.

It's always 2 sided right? Well, thats becuase humanity, and mostly those of "Some objective intelligence" tend to justify a system designed to stagnant issues, and exploit ignorance with a game of political tennis, that has no "game point" in sight.

Clearly put, if you arguing one side or another, then you clearly are a detached moron conforming to a pre-imbeded faulty system.

It's the same kind of argument as to "Beer Vrs Lager", you choose one, it seems like a great idea, till you get cirrhosis of the liver, and begin to die, only when a pathogly is present do you realize that long term exposure to one of the choices was not a good idea, so what do you do? You switch, from Democratic to Republican, and think "Oh wow, this will work", damn well forgetting the fact of the matter that it will end the same with a pathological set of conditions that would prove both side to have no consensus on resolution of any issue deemed profitable or significant.

Point being, regardless what side you go with, both will leave the political system with a wicked case of scarring, and even cancer (Returning to the Beer Vrs Lager Analogy), the solution to repair what has become a inflamed liver (The US Government), isn't turning to another alcoholic beverage that offers some "New insight", it's to stop drinking anything, and everything with Alcohol (Hidden, self-sustained agendas), and to drink a freaking glass of water (Pure, unbiased, unrelenting benevolent politics, something that won't exist anytime soon).

So your arguments of Right vrs Left hold about as logic as debating which is safer to drink, poison or acid, in the end you end up dead.
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Re: Does it really matter?

Correct sir. Left Right It doesnt matter. What matters is the individual issues that arrive and what your opinions are.

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Yes, but sadly too many people with the resources to sow resolutions to the big issues concerning the would today will not take indepentant stance on them in lue of partisanship, because they are too concerned with self-sustained agendas made possible by party assets and rank.

Few are willing to break party ties for selfless reasons, only when their party gets in the way of their selfish agendas will they break away, as was the case with Charlie Crist, or Mccaine, the latter knew his party was hated, but needed their assets for the election, so he found a middle ground, and dubbed himself a maverick, and since his loss he had regressed, and recanted such a notion.

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please. McCain is a weinie who saw his selfish goal was served by selling out honest conservatives.

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And palin a sellout who capitalized on her daughters pregnancy and mccains lost election.  Im sure that if he had one she would have stood behind him every step of the way.  I HATE SARAH PALIN.  Did you know she shoots wolves from airplanes...?

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> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> please. McCain is a weinie who saw his selfish goal was served by selling out honest conservatives.

Thats what I just said, was I not direct enough?

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Re: Does it really matter?

Nothing really matters. Anyone can see. Nothing really matters. Nothing really matters... to me!

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Please do not spam in my topics, honest contributions only please - thanks!

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You claim that, to take either side in an unspecified disagreement, "then you clearly are a detached moron conforming to a pre-imbeded faulty system." This seems odd to me, considering that many of the issues you dismiss debating determine things like life and death and what portion of a person's earning/holdings are confiscated by their local, state, and federal governments. It obviously matters which sides win on these debates. While Republicans and Democrats are often the same side of debates and no distinction between them really matters, this wasn't your statement, as I quoted above. I don't know who you're making look like "incapable invalids" by posting vague generalities.

So you're stating that political discourse in this country isn't honest, that there's no real discourse or intent to solve our problems? Shocking statement. Who disagrees with these obvious truths? I didn't mean to interrupt the enlightened discourse concerning hating Sarah Palin because she apparently impregnated her daughter for political gain.

Your statement that anyone arguing one side of an issue is "clearly [is] a detached moron conforming to a pre-imbeded faulty system" seems rather ignorant and juvenile. That Republicans and Democrats often lack any distinguishing characteristics or positions of note (thus the question of "Does it really matter?", presumably) does not parallel any sort of conclusion on debates over capitalism vs socialism, for instance, as you posted. How are arguments over capitalism vs socialism impacted by Republican/Democrat corruption and intellectual dishonesty? Why are people who engage in any legitimate discourse "detached moron[s]" because others who engage in "discourse" on the topics are dishonest pricks?

If "capitalism" is "poison" and "socialism" is "acid," I must ask, what is your point?

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That's odd, I am a poitician who puts down his stance all the time in this forum. Yet you say you beat me? I think not.

You say no honest politicians yet here I am, able and willing to speak about all issues.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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I say it doesn't matter if your a republican or a democrat on any particular issue. If you automatically take their side without research then you are a failure in life. It is important to inform yourself not to get a predecision handed down to you from only 2 sources of information. There is a reason why to accurately quote scientific information its recommend to have at least 3 credible sources. 3 not two like the number of parties in the American politics forum.

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Politicians are bred to be just that, politicians.  They arent working class people anymore like when the country began.  They are taught to avoid giving opinions on racy issues, to lie in a manner that is technically the truth, and how to benefit their party the most instead of the country.(go ahead primo, delete it)

Quack.

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I was bred for politics? Sara Palin was born for, and bred for politics?

Kennedys were, I will grant you that. The Bidens, again yes. Hmm, odd I can name a dozen democrats but not one conservative Republican.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Their lies are generally not technically true. Most often they're phrased in a such a way that the speaker can claim they're just too stupid to know how to speak the truth correctly. Sometimes they're just technically wrong, but it's become accepted to let it slide as long as it seems like they were just trying to be really sleazy and misleading, because to call them on it would involve a discussion of basic language skills, which neither the politicians nor the general populace understand enough to understand.

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@kemp im sorry, I assumed my point was clear, next time ill beak out the crayons, and construction paper.

You are proving my point to the T, the point being arguing discourse is a superfluous, and ambiguous ploy, deployed by people who benefit from a system designed to force consituants into conforming to a black or white resolution, your attempts to justify such a system, or anyone else's attempt to herein can only be asserted as detached from reality as the system itself, recognize the greys, and stop throwing labels on ambiguous, vague resolutions that will achieve nothing.

Ps the incapable invalid remark was just some playful rabble, and has nothing to do with the core topic, sorry for confusing you smile

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Well if you're going to keep making vague generalities, please do explain who designed this system you make reference to. You're obviously not referring to the founding of the USA and its founding documents.

I'm "proving" your point in making clear statements in agreement with your vague generalities? Then you reference my supposed "attempts" to "justify" such a system, which I just agreed with you was a dysfunctional and destructive... Ooookay then.

You're again throwing insults as if you've made any concise statements whatsoever. You, again, sound drunk. Weird.

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How are my statements general? Not drunk, haven't slept in 24 hours, when i get work (12 hour shift) and get some sleep, I will reread everything and see if i can make some sense of this miscommunication.

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It's just weird having you attack me for attempting to justify a system when I agree with you on those specific points so far as you've stated them specifically. I'm not proving your point when I'm agreeing with you. I merely objected to you debasing legitimate political discourse as part of the problem in your broad, vague statements.

For instance, "Clearly put, if you arguing one side or another,..." is a vague statement (it was followed by no additional qualifiers, only insults).

If your point is that the system is broken and everyone participating in it is full of shit, we're in agreement. But that doesn't somehow make capitalist-socialist, left-right (insofar as it's focused and specific) discourse unproductive. It is important that people be clear about where they stand on these spectrums. Which no Republicans nor Democrats are because they're both members of the "more power for me" party.

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Kemp

I am a Republican Politician

Do you think I do not communicate my views? A blanket statement like that is hurtdul to those who do buck the trend.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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I didn't mean "everyone" literally. I was generalizing. I just meant the vast majority of them. I don't have to ask if you've had firsthand experience with corruption if you're a politician. That's what I'm talking about.

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>>If your point is that the system is broken and everyone participating in it is full of shit<<

That is part of it ---

>>For instance, "Clearly put, if you arguing one side or another,..." is a vague statement (it was followed by no additional qualifiers, only insults).<<

It was said as intended, if you attempt to argue one groups stance, or even as far as one faulty idealogical stance based solely on or shaped by partisanship, or group affiliation, than you should be ended, promptly.

I think you are taking my points a step further than i intended, i am not say ---the issues--- that the parties/groups/movements are attacking are of no concern, or the discourse in which resolution is sought is wrong, i'm saying the notion of people stating a resolution that is not of their own design, and simply just a rehash of a parties purposed resolution for sake of partisanship or party loyalty is retarded, which it is.

Furthermore, the issue is the the whole "Left Vrs Right" and which side should you pick, i AM STATING that PICKING a side is validating a broken system, it's best to not pick a side -- Formulate independent solutions, and propose them, obviously that is nearly non-existent as to resource to promote such solutions are held empirically by the parties, thus forcing progression through the party system, and thus watering down any Independence solutions into a party-sustained agenda backed resolution, that loses sight on the core of the issue that must be resolved.


Pepsi Cola Vrs Coca Cola ---- They are both colas, both are bad for your health, so why make such a big deal about which one is better in this or that?

It's always black and white in American Politics, it has evolved to that, it hasn't always been that way.

G. Washington kept Representatives of polar opposition in his Cabinet for the intensive purpose of mixing the 2 parties, mix back with white, and you get gray, thus opening that fabled 3rd option, otherwise known as a compromise something that is all but alien in our politics, they claim to compromise on key-issues, but in truth, they just got enough people on the other-side to whore themselves out to get required votes to pass their agendas.


EDIT : Way too many typos to correct right now, holy buckets i need sleep, just got off work, heading to bed! NIGHT

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Re: Does it really matter?

Much better tongue

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