Topic: EU vs. US

Now about Europe versus the United States. Europe has a different history than the United States. A long history of strong governments, smaller communities, and more recently... social upheaval due to war and the collapse of the USSR. These factors make Europe way different than the United States.

The United States is commonly quoted for our high crime rates and criminal incarceration. This however is due to one huge issue... Ease of trading locations. No other nation has this ease, in Germany you can only go so far before your out of Germany. Russia, or it's precursor the USSR, does not have easy location trading. Especially in the old USSR... you wanted to move, you had best have not just a good reason, but permission from a dozen different groups.

But modern Russia is still an issue getting around. You cannot just find a flat just like that, and a job. No, it is a bit different. But the United States... you can get around here with exceptions for Alaska and Hawaii, with just a thumb. No passport needed, no language barriers, no lack of roads, just the wide expanse that is America for you to see at your will (As I have extensively in the past year and a half).

The difference is that crime can migrate, without barriers, without issues. If you get a city weak on crime, that eventually goes hard on crime, you get a migration of some of the worser elements. Whats worse is we do not know these strangers moving in, there is no community like there is in many European nations.

And the United States has no system of humiliation, or personal honor like the East has... Additionally we have the problem of being center to two forms of drugs, having created many more forms, and being the primary destination for another. Our very success at shipping and industry even subjects us to the issues of the poppy... Yes we are the drugs cross roads of the world. Then as discussed elsewhere we have problems with judges and laxity of law.

Lets also go over some other issues. Europe, for most of it at least, suffered under World War II like only parts of China, Japan, and Eastern Russia did. Europe took a different route than those other places, and is much more fearful of wars than ever before in their history. This is a simple fact. But a side effect of the war also intrudes... Emotions.

Yes I said emotions. I have seen this all to often, where a European will be more emotional about a subject than clinical. If they think it is wrong to do something, nothing will change them in their thinking short of a mountain in their path. Evidence has no meaning, they can see evidence after evidence and never change their tune. Like European support for Liberal Americans... despite the vast huge differences in what those two socialism's are. No evidence will sway them, they ignore the huge spending for people who donate to Democrats, but scream at those who donate to Republicans (who get no spending lol). They ignore the double and triple standards, the lies, the everything, in exchange for keeping their own personal world view intact.

If a European is an Atheist, you can never get them to admit the good things the Christian community does, but you can easily get them to attack it. They are set in their emotional ways, no good deed would ever be noticed past the day, the hour, the minute that it happened.

This onset of emotions was caused by the damages of World War II in my opinion, where people were so traumatized by the outcomes that they fled from the true world, thinking if they ignored parts then they could survive. This ignoring goes on today at the cost of Europe's greatness.


Now I need to change the tune here, to something else. Europe loves trains... oh they truly do, they have them everywhere, and sadly most lack any wit to know why it seems. Consider the United States, no borders, roads everywhere, versus Europe, borders everywhere with few roads over them...

I hope a bell went off in some peoples heads, but if not... well is it easier or harder to check 100 cars and pickup trucks, or 1 train with 150 people? Is it easier to control access at one point, or one hundred points?


Europe's own history has made it require trains. This is the difference between it and the United States. The United States has no internal border guards, no need for limiting access to one State or another.

It is our freedom to go anywhere there are jobs, where we wish, that makes us enjoy roads. I travel every day down them, often up to 600 miles a day.

In Europe however there is no legacy of roads going endlessly... there were borders. Things are changing, I see it indeed.. but a lot of the old mentality lives on... that trains are the big deal down there. Of course they are convenient... of course they are better placed than your roads... of course all this and all that... It was what your nations relied upon for trade! Of course they prioritized it!


Lastly... If I say Grand Canyon, Old Faithful, Crater Lake, or Salt Lake... how many of you outside of the United States have heard of at least two?

These are natural area's, not man made, which are landmarks of their own. Europe... I cannot name one for Europe... But what I can name are great cities that have fallen, architecture that remains, and great wars. Where are your landmarks? For all of the world, you are the most history following of the world, thinking your very history grants you ascendancy (though China also falls into this trap), for you think your thousands of years of history grants you this. All I can see is fallen empires, schisms, divisism, animosity for others, and so forth. The United States have been united since 1776, with one civil war between. How many nations have split, how many vanished, how many wars between each other has Europe seen since that time? You try to compare to us, but I say, you are wrong to compare... we are DIFFERENT.


That is the whole of this discussion. Showing that at all levels, the United States is not Europe, and Europe is not the United States. Do not try to change us, and we should not try to change you. Also one last thing... Europe get over yourselves.

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Re: EU vs. US

Europe wins

atleast we dont owe the chinese billions and billions of dollars!





By the way, on a more serious note


"In Europe however there is no legacy of roads going endlessly..."

"Lastly... If I say Grand Canyon, Old Faithful, Crater Lake, or Salt Lake... how many of you outside of the United States have heard of at least two?"


This is just because the US has no culture or history of its own. The only real stuff is native americans, who do have culture.
Besides, half of the US population is so ignorant that they hardly know where europe is. Nor do they know any culture or languages from neighbouring nations.


They US is weak for not being like europe





Oh and 1 more thing Flint, you judge easy, but how often have you actually been to europe

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Who's claiming you're not different?

Also, as for landmarks?
Try the baltic sea, russia's massive tundra's, or, i don't know, the alps and many other mountainranges? The English channel?

Also don't forget our roadnetwork was started back in roman times, when technology didn't always allow you to drill tunnels or go straight ahead.

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at least we dont have France

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

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5 (edited by Justinian I 01-May-2010 20:51:19)

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Most Americans do not know where Europe is on the map? WTF! I learned that in 1st grade. It's across the Atlantic, duh! I think you may be referring to the south. They are the laughing stock of our country. Bible belt, poor education, high church attendance etc. That said, the south isn't a bad place to be either. They just don't value education as much as the industrial and financial centers.

And culture... dude, a culture is a set of beliefs and rituals common to a population. Every group has a culture, and the US has cultural features common to all regions.

Edit: And the US should be considered a federation of people, even though the federal government has become MUCH more powerful and present in the past. While we have cultural features common to all regions, as I said earlier, it is less so in the US than other places. In different regions you will find different accents, different markets, and cultural practices. These differences can even be shocking. Some areas of the mid west may look more like Northern Europe, the Texans always have to wear their stupid cowboy hats as a status symbol, the coasts are centers of our financial empire, and the south is a mix of white/black cultures.

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I'm going to let your own people talk for themselves as to their general levels of intelligence..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

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7 (edited by Justinian I 01-May-2010 21:32:34)

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That is a small, unrepresentative sample clearly selected for entertainment. I hope you weren't being serious.

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America has slightly fewer drunken Brits, baring their ass for the camera, per 100,000 non Brits

maybe 5 fewer per 100,000

but it should still be acknowledged as progress

also, now get this, I know its crazy, but you know how a guy will make 1000 silk ties, and his factory sells them to a store,  and the store boxes them with 1000 shirts, and then sells them for more money than just the sum of the price of a lonely tie and a lonely shirt, right? No taxes are assessed until somebody buys it in the store! And then its just whatever the local area charges for sales, a fixed percentage--and some places don't even have that! And the factory, doesn't owe taxes AT ALL, UNLESS it makes a profit for the quarter!

And we just pile fruit on a table, and let the customer weigh and bag it!

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when a hot eurobabe takes her shirt off, does she owe VAT?

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VAT... another term for Valuables Are Taken.


It's scary to think of VAT in the United States. If power were not needing resources, but labor to make it would go like this with a 10% tax:

1) minerals are mined, energy is used and vat is charged (110% of cost)

2) minerals are sold to processing plant, where they are refined (121% of cost)

3) refined goods sold to manufactorer (after vat now 133% of cost)

4) finished goods sold to major chain store (now 147%) of cost.

So we would be screwed out an extra 50% on all purchases like Europe is with a VAT. Do not doubt, putting a product in a stores own box is adding value...


Sigh... stupid idea gone haywire.

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i charge at least 200 percent of original cost once my hand touches the item

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

12 (edited by tommie 02-May-2010 14:47:11)

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> Einstein wrote:

> VAT... another term for Valuables Are Taken.


so basicly what you are saying here is that if europe and america would compete economically on the same terms that your country would kind of be majorly screwed.

no wonder you guys still deny globalwarming/environment conventions like they don't exist. with those regulations all america would have are overpriced products.


my point here: it's easy to make a judgement. and just how europeans according to you are inflexible in their ideas then you are more or less the same. extremely inflexible in ideas you are convinced of that are right. it's the same for europeans( though not everyone is like that and I would hope not everyone in america is like you flint. cause that would be boring).
he who has never sinned before cast the first stone situation here.

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/me throws a stone at chris

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

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"at least we dont have France"

But you have Texas instead..

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Why does it have to be an antagonistic and competitive relationship?

Flint's post is a very odd one. It draws on many false premises to come to a sensible conclusion that neither people should try to change the others into their own image, before finally alighting on a very immature, and typically meaningless, closing statement.

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I do not believe that the kaffer/latino gangs migrate much inside the USA. Perhaps from one block to the other...


"Consider the United States, no borders, roads everywhere, versus Europe, borders everywhere with few roads over them..."


Take a truck through the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. Start in Rotterdam (NL) and end up in the Ruhr area (DE). Then write what you just said down on a piece of paper, crumple said piece paper and throw it into the bin.

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I can move from Oregon to Florida today, or New York, or Hawaii, or Utah.

Can a Frenchman move today to Finland? Or a German to Italy? Someone from bankrupt Greece to England? An Irish man to Belgium?

Please do tell!

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Per car? Or did we move onto getting a home?

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> Einstein wrote:

> I can move from Oregon to Florida today, or New York, or Hawaii, or Utah.

Can a Frenchman move today to Finland? Or a German to Italy? Someone from bankrupt Greece to England? An Irish man to Belgium?

Please do tell!

Yes, as it is the EU. This is why there's so many Polish in the UK, and so many Brits in Spain.

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There are no roads in Europe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_road_network_size

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global warming is neither global nor warming

that's why they've switched to being worried about "climate change"

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i travel everywhere by hot air balloon

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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huh, average motorway density per km is 7.5 in the US while it is much higher in Europe, mostly around 30. We have a larger network. You can get from Belgium to Turkey going almost straight, crossing a dozen countries.


"If a European is an Atheist, you can never get them to admit the good things the Christian community "
Religion comes second to anything you do, it shouldn't be important, what you are doing is more important.

And I'll say that you give world war 2 a lot of credit. It doesn't deserve all of that.

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the Euro is the fruitiest looking kind of currency ever.  Why don't you go buy purses to match your shoes jerks

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjjO_lhf9c

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Dollars look like asswipe. smile

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