The political right wing in the US is acting along the rules of Alinsky:

- Power is real (your own) and an illusion (what others think you may have): The minor tea-party movement proclaims itself as the leading political group in the US. their real power is small and only through the media it seems bigger. in the end its just a third party that has no chance besides reps and dems.
- Never lose the touch with your supporting people, but ignore the views of others: The radical right has obviously left the path of realism and entered the field of pure populism.
- Mockery is the mightiest weapon of humans, because the enemy may act strange in its rage and open weak points to target at: Comparing Obama with Hitler and all these campaigns against an democratic legitimated government is mockery. Obama and the democrats are weakening under that attacks.
- My action starts always after the reaction of the enemy, because our mockery blinded him and caused his reaction: The attacks of the political right against the policy of Obama follow that course. No real practicable new ideas, just opposition and populism.
- My tactic must be fun. As long as the people enjoy their (and my) campaign, as longer they will support it: Bashing the government is always fun. Hunting for easy prey is always funny. The tea party movement is exactly this: Fun for the people.
- Never lower your pressure on the enemy, always rise it to keep the enemy breathless: Again the right wing opposition is doing exactly that. Their attacks even call for an civil war and to kill Obama.
- Your threat, which your enemy knows before the public (because you told him secretly), weakens the enemy: Telling the Obama administration all your plans and actions in the future leads them to despair of their political agenda.
- Pick a target and hammer it into the ground. Don't chose an organisation, because it is too big to grab in a few words. A single person is best. That person has to be fired with everything you have until he/she breaks: This poor guy is Obama.

So, Flint, your topic is wrong. It should be called: Why is the tea-party-movement/right-wing conservatives acting like the NAZI party? (with Palin as a bad copy of an female Adolf Hitler)

lol gues that's 1 strike zidi. the title's a dud.

and what einstein and firewing both point out perfectly here is that any party, any side can be made out to look like the bad guys or compared to nazi's or hitler or communism. it all depends on what point of view you have and who you want to discredit.

making alinsky's work more like a handguide to discrediting your opponent. then to compare your opponent.

einstein can perfecly use some of alinsky's work to discredit obama
firewing can ust it to discredit tea-party
heck I can use it discredit the entire system of the usa
and someon else can use it to discredit the eu or vn or japan or china, etc, etc.

just my 2 cents.

And Tommie scores a home run. Alinsky is a liar. Not that his book is full of lies, but his system relies upon lies to help prop losing cases.

He also is an attacker, no defense.

This has been a mainstream aspect of Liberals in America for 20 years now.

Newt, and every GOP house leader since has been attacked thus, Bush Jr was attacked thus, and all could be leaders of the Republican party is currently being attacked thus.

So how do you fight such?

The answer is to not trust your 'leaders' but to learn for yourself the truth. This is not the only way.

The other way is to mark those who use Alinsky and then watch them, reveal when they are using Alinsky, and educate others to kick the lair out.

Have no mistake, under Alinsky right now the 'have nots' are supposedly the Republicans. In truth this is the Conservatives.

Hitler was a socialist.

its like the Illumnatis.

You have people who say they exist and also those who say they don't

then you have people who claim they are the arch-villains of all hisotry and those who claim they are heroes trying to liberate the human race from superstition and ignorance

Didn't need to grow a lot for that, it was done in the orginal post

I act like Hitler everyday when I put my trousers on.

In any case Godwins law is about probability, so even though it may of been a low probability it doesn't stop it happening at the first post...

And Firewing sounds right, Alinsky just came up with a useful political strategy that doesn't require any real answers for yourself, which is a useful strategy for any opposition party up until election year, at which point they may need to start pulling out policies and becoming a shadow government in truth, at least to show that they are capable of running the show, and better yet if their idea's are better than the current ruling party... And any talk about have's and have-not's is only continuing the scarcity of resources argument on the poverty of people/nations...

oh shh something like that...

Alinsky is the topic however, so redivert to there

Alinsky is good not at ruling, but tearing down rulers, disagree?

"If I truly wanted to keep going I would compare Hitler's nationalizing industry 'for the peoples good' with Obama's nationalization progrom."

It was a popular thing at that time, and neither invented nor practised alone by Hitler..

"Under his premise the ethics of child rape might be allowed to flourish as an good ethic, but I cannot see a moden society (Islam not withstanding) proving this to be true. I believe that another fundemental comes into play."

Islam does not promote child rape. It doesn't even promote child marriages. You'll probably going to retort that Muhammad married a 7 year old, but that's a false arguement. You see Islam is not a unified religion, pretty much like "christianity" covers the catholic church, the orthodox church, the eastern christianities, the forms of christianity in the Caucasus, the protestant denominations and their offspring (like mormons). Among these, there are a lot of differences. Amish famously consider electricity to be harmful to the soul and find a line in the bible to support that! Or even better, the cult of the Children of God who promoted flirty fishing, had child mariages and *GASP* indulged in large orgies that involved children!
Islam is as diverse. When we return to Islam then, you'll find that child marriages are accepted by a small minority and loathed by a large majority. Child rape however is loathed by all.
It's true however that there are some denominations of Islam that score poorly when we compare it to the declaration of human rights (like those crooks of the Taliban). But these are, after all, a small but ferocious group. On the other hand, we can also see a group of leaders that (ab)use Islam or the Qu'ran to jusify certain actions or even scandals. In a land where hierachy is regarded highly and a large part of the population is godfearing and nearly illiterate or lowly educated, it's a handy tool. In this they are no pioneers either; The catholic church has done the same thing for many centuries now, with it's pinnacle in the 19th century, when it told the impoverished people not to act to improve their situation. Even to this day, we see the scandals of abusive clergy pile up. They were held silent by the same moral intimidation.

It's the same crap all over in a different place.. Don't criticize your neighbour's garden when your hedges are equally unkept..

It's sad to see your opinion of Islam to be so narrow and uninformed. And I see it as a sample of the American people's idea of Islam. It's painfully ignorant.. If your country wants to see the end of the conflict with Islamic people and want to pacify the Middle East, that'll have to change. Understanding leads ultimatly to acceptation..

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Alinsky's views were unknown to me before this thread. But if they are all as you put them down here, they seem quite simplistic to me..

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