1 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 20-Apr-2010 14:33:33)

Topic: "Let's take this outside!"-A Politics/ICC Challenge

I want to make a proposition, and see if anyone would be interested.

The IC Politics community creates two families for the ICC: right and left (I know, this is a terrible representation, but for the purposes of this game, this is the best we can do).  Determination of where you place should probably be based on a mix of personal and community views (i.e. if Flint was interested, we could probably all agree he goes in the "right" family.  Someone like Justinian may be somewhat trickier.  Determining where xeno goes would be a real hat trick).

Would anyone here be interested in having a little friendly competition with one another, outside the forums?  Settle a beef with an old archnemesis?

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I'd be interested but two things

1. I don't really have time to play
2. An All-American rightwing team would get its ass kicked by a global team unless it stayed up all night

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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I'd be alone in a lefty fam along with Skoe (if he still plays)

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Right wing players do exist outside of the USA, Chris.

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@Chris

1: This is fairly casual... although it's competitive, I don't suspect it would be anywhere near as competitive as regular IC.
2: Refer to BiefstukFriet's post.  tongue

@WFS

You seriously think you're the only left-leaning guy in IC?  tongue

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Originally, when I thought of this idea, I was worried that we may not have enough people to set up more than 2 families, even though only 2 families would kind of leave some people, such as avogadro and Justinian, trying to find a place in a political framework that doesn't fit them.


If there's enough people participating, it may be beneficial to modify the family entry system to allow alternative ideologies to conventional right/left politics to join, assuming they find a sufficient number of people to join up (I could imagine a libertarian family forming quite easily).

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I'm independent. I don't allow selfish people to make decisions for me.

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Um... ok?

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/me will go SS

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BTW Piranhas FTW!

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1: This is fairly casual... although it's competitive, I don't suspect it would be anywhere near as competitive as regular IC.<<

hell with that! It be on like donkey kong! let the rape party begin! wizard slapping, portal bombign hijinks from first tick! we make three different NAPs with different team members and break all of em! phone rings in the middle of the night, it's me announcing I stole your core! heeyaw!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

12 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 22-Apr-2010 19:43:32)

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Haha!  tongue


Well, now that there's some discussion going... I might as well set up the signups so we know who would actually do this, and who is just thinking about it.


The "Right" family
1:
2: Biefskurtz (your name has probably been butchered) tongue
3:
4:
5:
6:

The "Left" Family
1: You_Fool
2: Wild Flower Soul
3:
4:
5:
6:


Also, if you wish to set up an alternative ideology family, I encourage you to do so.  Keep in mind, however, that we can't really have this take place unless we have sufficient numbers for each family.  Having 20 people each set up their own 1-person family because they don't necessarily agree with 100% of another ideology kind of defeats the purpose of the game.  A "generally conservative, except I disagree with their views toward abortion" family would probably be a waste.  For pragmatic purposes, it may be necessary to condense some micro-families into larger families if needed, in order to ensure the competition progresses efficiently...


Note: Don't be worried about there being not enough people for the family, at least just yet.
1: If needed, we can always recruit outsiders, assuming they know what's going on in our family.
2: Many people may be discouraged by that same problem.  However, once one or two people step forward and say they want to play, that problem goes away... the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

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I think government should be a meritocratic autocracy (like the 5 good emperors), and be more powerful than all private interests, though less present unlike today (less efficient). The government's job is to ensure that all services (public and private) are provided efficiently without compromising its supreme power over private interests, balance the needs of elite/non elite, and destroy elites who are parasitic (like monopolies).

As for values, power and wealth are good. Altruism is evil. Liberals are wicked.

So where am I?

14 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 20-Apr-2010 21:35:35)

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I knew it would be tricky placing you, as it will be for many of alternative ideologies (thank God there are no postmodern theorists on these forums).

Generally, I would suggest you go in the "Right" family, if you're interested in playing... if only because, out of the two, you would probably gain more joy from clobbering the Left family than from clobbering the Right family, although there are also at least some alignments with generally "right" theories.  smile


But as I said in the disclaimer, the categorization is inherently flawed (I never liked ideological categorizations anyway), but necessary to create this game without having 20 one-person families.  It would be impossible to create families that perfectly fit with each individual's ideologies... so for this to work, I'm partially asking for people to make some compromise in order to advance a group... or at least to form coalitions with what one would consider the lesser of two evils.


As I stated, if a particular ideology has enough representatives that they can form a family outside the general "right/left" framework, they are more than welcome to do so, as long as they can mobilize enough people.  I could definitely imagine a Libertarian group popping up in these forums.  If we had more members, I could imagine splinter groups within each side of the "right" or "left," just as they exist in the real world.

The major issue in all of these would be finding 6 people who are willing to sign up for your side...



EDIT: Talked with the mods again, and apparently I misunderstood what they said.  Apparently, I am allowed to play in the Politics ICC challenge.  So I'll join either the Right group (if it needs more members toward the time to file final group numbers) or some alternative right/moderate/Justinian group, provided they find more members...

That being said, if I do participate, it would probably be advantageous for somebody from the Left and other families to step forward as leader early.  There needs to be a designated leader for each individual family.  However, in addition, if I am in one family and recruiting members for the other family, it would create the perception that I would be trying to stack the other family with bad players.  Thus, if someone who does regularly play IC (you_fool, perhaps?) would step forward to lead their family, it would help ensure the credibility of this event.

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For those with additional questions, I will be hanging out in #Politics for a while... I've registered the channel, and will give op to any Politics regulars.

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I could possibly be convinced to look after the 'left' family, even possibly lead... i sort of have time... though I am not what I would of ever called active, not that I ever considered myself to be active... However stick me at the top of the 'left' fam and we will see how this goes...

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Done!

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Of course not, Zarf. But we're a minority in here. Or, perhaps, I don't consider a lot of people who consider themselves left not to be leftist at all..

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Your opinion of "left" being the definition for who is left is inherently flawed, as it presupposes you are the definition of an utterly abstract concept.  I've argued this a few times in these forums... that being said, the term is, at best, an abstract tool used to create general categories.  It would be unrealistic to say "ok, only people believing the following can join."  That would be dumb...

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Re: "Let's take this outside!"-A Politics/ICC Challenge

How about a Piranhas family?  An SS family.

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If you can set up a family for it that qualifies for the ICC, and can ascribe a political ideology to that family, then go for it.

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I find it disturbing nobody said "balsz those tactics are outrageously dishonorable"

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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I find it disturbing nobody said "balsz those tactics are outrageously dishonorable"

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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Well, I can't be on the "Left Family" and nor can I be on the "Right Family".

There'll have to be a Piranha family.  Who do I talk to about this?

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WFS you don't consider me leftist? What have i done wrong?

Also: "balsz those tactics are outrageously dishonorable"

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"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"