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Dreamcast, and that one in the 90's where the screen is a visor. 
Though I'm missing the correlation... does the government really subsidize video game development?
yes its called teh Air Force
Oh... well, then that's easy:
Your example of companies failing to use the technology created is not a question of the technology itself being used. The original research was still useful, in that some business models succeeded and continued to use the technologies. The failures you cite are only market concerns, not questions of a lack of demand for the technology created.
> Chris_Balsz wrote:
> OOohhhhh so we go from saying
"omg looky the hockey stick, there is no doubt humans are responsible because nothing in the physical universe can cause this"
To
"Its certainly not been proved that is beyond probability that if human emissions had some effect on climate, by some undiscovered process, that it might not function much as climate has behaved over the past decade"
Whatever, gtfo of my wallet
We need to have nightly torchlight processions and bonfires to protest CO2 regulation
....so...hockey sticks cause global warming is what your saying?
I'll buy that.
A separate post to answer your questions and a few more Zarf... working on it now over lunch.
>>Your example of companies failing to use the technology created is not a question of the technology itself being used. The original research was still useful, in that some business models succeeded and continued to use the technologies. The failures you cite are only market concerns, not questions of a lack of demand for the technology created.<<
Give me $100,000,000 and I will smile
the smile will not give you $100,000,000
that is a market failure
not a failure of demand 
the "hockey stick' was a badly drawn graph that said we'd started an isometric curve in global temps
Climate-Gate emails have shown the Hockey Stick was done via a "trick" and is so disproven as to make anyone using it as evidence of global warning to look like flat Earth society members.
Higher birth rates, longer lives, increased business output caused by the additional world boom population. Yah, i'd say humanity had a big impact on global warming.
...hockey sticks....really bad metaphor for curved graphing.
I say we make Pompeii blow up again, and let the ash cloud cover the earth, therefor causing global temperatures to cool. Just blow up a volcano.
@Chris
When the government funds research, it's paying for one thing: the research. You didn't answer the argument above that in many cases, research is the #1 hurdle to a technology being mass marketed. As another example, take space flight. Originally, we needed it funded and run by the government partially due to national security interests (the same technologies that built rockets also built the V-2 and ICBMs of today). But now, with the technology behind space flight well known, businesses were able to take steps toward private space flight.
Assuming the government has paid for research for a product, that overcomes the biggest hurdle around. The only thing left is marketing and sales of the good, which is pretty simple for businesses, assuming the research was completed.
but such tech paid off becuase the government did more than just invent stuff, it used it for decades.
You can't just hire people to innovate and then leave it for business to make profitable, that circle of payola>jobs>election wins>payola will become more important than any actual use of the subject. That's why Congress turned to commissions to close military bases, they couldnt' bring themselves to wreck the gravy train.
Doesn't the fact that medicine gets subsidized for research, yet not for production, prove you wrong?
In addition, wouldn't technologies created as a result of NASA (for example, something as simple as Tang) also prove you wrong?
EDIT: As an aside, hey, Chris, I seem to remember one time that you used to play a game called Europa Universalis 3. Still have it?
I don't think "TANG" disproves the culture of waste that accompanies a government spending scheme that only has the object of inventing stuff. I think medicine demonstrates my point, in that pharmaceuticals charge very high for what works, becuase straight innovation is so wasteful. Government research just relies on the taxpayer to make good.
No it wasn't me who played EU3
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