"Despite the fact that the federal health insurance plan (a.k.a. the

You know we wouldn't have this problem if they would have just dropped the part about mandatory health care.

If the bill gets thrown out by the Supreme Court because of that, I woinder if congress will have to start all over or if it'll jsut be that part voided...

Europe doesnt have guarantees of property, liberty and due process that are voided by this "law"

>>Some idiot on capital hill is going to yell that the Health Care is unconstitutional since it steps on the toes of many americans.  <<

I say its unconstitutional because Congress to tackle national health care because the States are doing that--10th Amendment.

And even if there could be national health care it is unconstititonal for the Govt to mandate state to state insurance commerce and what each state-bound insurer must carry, but ban interstate commerce in insurance.  10th Amendment.

And even if that were constitutional its unconstitutional to order every American to participate.  All other economic regulation is upheld on the theory that it is optional, and temporary; that a Congress can be elected that will stop it; and until that Congress is changed, the citizen complaining can achieve perfect liberty by choosing some other form of economic activity instead of farming wheat or meat or timber or radio or pharmaceuticals or aviation.  Here, we have no choice. Ya breathe, ya gotta buy insurance.  Violation of the 9th Amendment.

And even if that were constitutional it is unconstitutional to declare that we're subject to tax fines if we disobey, because that is unusual punishment (8th Amendment) given by bureacrats without trial, in violation of due process (5th Amendment) and waived for low-income people, so it's applied unequally in violation of the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law.

The "general welfare" of the American people is secured by well-funded health care; but rather than engage in trampling state and individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution for an unprecedented, unconstitutional, unfair, unAmerican scheme for total conscription into private insurance, the Congress can achieve the same purpose through higher taxes, which are totally constitutional.

But I guess that's the mutterings of an idiot.

>>So what. <<

Think thats what King George said to the Declaration of Independence

>>Not having health care is the same as stepping on the other half of the toes of many other americans, and they shout that it is constitutional. <<

Actually everybody has health care; the bitch here was that we lacked a third-party sugadaddy to pay for it.
Now we got Uncle Sucka riding us and we won't get treatment.

>> I'd like to shove the constitution right up their ass'.  They need to shutup and deal with it.  I mean they constantly make laws, tell the people to shutup and deal with it. <<

You may get that chance when the shooting starts.

>>It's about time we told them to shutup and deal with it.  Majority rules if we're gonna go down this path of what's right and what's wrong.  Otherwise they'll spend a billion dollars of taxpayer money to upend a bill that for most part is something new.<<

We'll expend more than money if we have to.  we were guaranteed our property, our liberty and due process FROM the majority and the government.  I won't be treated like a [person of African descent] in prewar Alabama.

>>And i've been recently told not be afraid of things that are new.  We're in unknown territory and that frightens a lot of people. <<

It's NOT new.  I studied the Socialist experiments by former colonial states in Latin America and Africa in my political economy courses.  When we start relying on foriegn loans, printing money, nationalizing industries and confiscation to get by, like Mali and Peru in the 1960s, we're gonna have the economy of Mali and Peru in the 1970s.  And that means the politics of Mali and Peru.  We start this experiment ALREADY BROKE.

>> Republicans are just scared to death if the thing actually starts to work well, saves money, and they're not about to thank the democrats for it.  If it does work, those republicans will lie their butts off stating how they were all rooting for it to pass, even though they voted against.  Same thing with any democrat that did vote against it.<<

If central planning provides better service, lower prices and cutting edge innovation, hang me by the balls til I die.  That's not a bet I'm afraid to make.

>>If it works it works, if it doesn't work, well that's why we have "We the People", Congress, the Senate, and a president to figure this shit out.<<

If it doesn't work, the Congress, Senate and PResident will be stood against a wall.

And yeah, we can lie here waiting for something good to happen... well it wont, if it will it will be a miracle and i will be very thankful but until then i will work and have fun cause its my life and i want to take advantage of it...

You are not ok with the place you live in? you can always move to another, start over etc...

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ugly thought, considering how hefty I am ...OUCH

AR-10, or better a m-14 
I hear afghans wear the burn marks of our 5.56 ammo with pride
I want 7.62mm at minimum

What is so damn wrong with everyone having healthcare anyways? Chris made a point that you can break your arm and still get it taken care of at the hospital. Your insurance might pay for it or you might have to pay out your own pocket. Well Chris thats the issue. Alot of folks CANT pay for that broken arm out of their own pockets.

Have you been to Urgent Care lately? Do you really know how much it costs? Do you really think that someone who is struggling to put food on their table can afford to pay for that visit? So if they DONT pay this bill they put it to collection. They DONT or CANT pay the collection agency they take them to court and garnish their wages. Well isnt that nice.

Are you right wing republican assholes so obsessed with what is socialism and what isnt that you have completely lost your sense of compassion? Have you even bothered to listen or read the horror storys of people with cancer and other diseases that the insurance companys abandon over some minor paperwork details? Probably not.

Herein lies the core problem with republicans: they dont give a flying F about anybody but themselves. They are so blinded by what they consider to be principles and morals (omg what a joke that is) that they are completely out of touch with reality.

Maybe if these tea baggin right wing douche bags would actually condescend to read and learn about how people with no insurance are being treated they might actually change their minds. But no. Its 'socialism' and its 'unconstitutional'. Gimme a F'n break!!

If republicans are so religous and christianity is #1 in their lives they are being the biggest hypocrites ever. Did Jesus say, "help everyone you can, but only as long as it doesnt effect your profits?" No....i dont think so.

In your "compassion" you have chosen to support a system that steals from everybody, sick or not

and guarantees payment to providers, which ain't gonna make them stop charging the moon

set up by a President and advisers who are wise to how recklessly America spends money on people who won't get better!  Like Obama's grandma, remember her? Why did she get a new hip, she was gonna die anyhow? Remember that? Remember "You won't get all the care you want, but it will be the best care?"   

Remember that bullshit about how doctors have too many tests, becaue they get paid by the test not by the patient--so they cheat and do lotsa tests!  So I'm supposed to pump my fist and go "HELL YEAH! Just GUESS why my butt hurts!"  I WANT a lot of tests, because I own the results--that's how you doctor-shop, you share your test results! It's how you don't die of cancer because you didn't catch it in time.

Remember last year when they thought up the great idea: "Hey why we paying for health care for veterans? Let them get private insurance for the false legs and the therapy"  remember that actually got a week of consideration before it was shot down? That's who's running shit in the name of "Compassion". 

I wouldn't be suprised if they still didnt cover your inhaler, because if you get the inhaler this month, all that means is another inhaler.  The government is looking to deny claims, only this time, you won't have the income to go elsewhwere becasue you were forced to buy insurance whtether it covers your needs or not.

I worked for government as a temp  and they told me on day one "Don't make these people's problems your own, your job is to tell them how to help themselves"  I don't ever go to govt for compassion, that's why I don't care about compassion when the govt is involved

Its socialism and unconstitutional to make us buy shit we don't want.  It's as bad as the company store, or paying workers in company scrip.  It means you lose control of your own life.  It robs us and won't make us healthier. Burn the mother down!

I was homeless with depression, feet injuries, and no insurance.

White males do not  get the State Run Healthcare in Oregon. Unless they are gay or have aids.

Do not dare tell me how to feel about the system!

I think you're the one who didn't listen to what we said, like where I said "Don't let other people's problems be your own" was part of the TRAINING I got when I worked for government? 

It's ok that you don't agree with my "twisted principles" this whole country is gonna be as f'd up as Michigan and CA, and then you WILL have to fend for yourself like it or not.  How will you like it when your tax refund is a voucher that banks wont cash?