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> Wild Flower Soul wrote:

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"another scenario... people are already manipulating embryonic cells to grow certain organs... it will only be a matter of time before we can genetically engineer people... if the embryo doesnt have the rights a human has, then doctors will eventually be able to genetically engineer sex slaves, or coal miners or even geneticially engineer all future babies to have certain political ideology when they mature... ah, just think how much freedom democracy will provide when the masses are engineered at conception to consider certain parties best..."

It's impossible to grow a particular human organ at this moment, but if it's possible: why the hell not? You'll be regenerating from a certain condition out of your body. A stem cell is not an embryo.
Genitally engineered babies are, to a certain degree, not really a problem either, imo. Although, it must be added that manipulations, apart those made for medical reasons, should not determine the child's future.
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Nemeara was saying that it could be possible to make someone with no memory, no emotions, and a perfect body. Your not disagreeing huh?

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Also, flint, in your logic, you should be hanged for stepping on an ant.
It has a heartbeat, it eats and it ejects fecal matter.

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does it have human dna though

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question is, is that relevant?

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"Nemeara was saying that it could be possible to make someone with no memory, no emotions, and a perfect body. Your not disagreeing huh?"

I wasn't agreeing either. You seem to question my morality, and thus I must conclude we're not having a discussion on the mutual respect I thought we were having..
I thought that genetically engineered humans without thoughts, memory etc. would fall under those whose future is set and limited by the genetical changes.

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question is, is that relevant?<<

Yeah if you're claiming killing ants = murder.

If you want to get into who's subhuman then I think you restore the Reich.

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Thing is, an embryo is not human, so who cares what modifications are done to it under your stance there...


Under my stance, they are human (though I will concede that birth control is not abortion... pill or day after, no problems to me) and therefore deserve protections.

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You're assuming that "killing" an embryo is worse than modifying it, and that I'd therefore tolerate it. But that's a whole different matter.

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> Wild Flower Soul wrote:

> You're assuming that "killing" an embryo is worse than modifying it, and that I'd therefore tolerate it. But that's a whole different matter.


no, they're assuming that you dont recognize the embryo as a living thing. you have something against modifying non-living things to benefit human beings?

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I don't object to embryo manipulation. It can provide a lot of biological information we can hardly access otherwise. Although, when it's intended to become an actual person (we've surpassed the abortion issue here), the genome must only be manipulated for medical reasons.

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well, maybe the end products wouldnt be human to get around that.... designing the baby to lack a heart, and need a mechanical one, making it miss the definition of human; and then slaves dont need to be good thinkers, technology could probably create a computer to replace their brain, which would also negate the need to educate them and then the entire world could have an army of subhuman slaves derived from embryos.  or simply modifying the dna just enough not fit what falls for human dna..

in the US at least, illegalizing abortion was deemed unconsitutional because it violates peoples right to privacy...  if outlawing abortion violates peoples right to privacy, then any attempt to regulate the manipulation of embryos would too.

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"well, maybe the end products wouldnt be human to get around that.... designing the baby to lack a heart, and need a mechanical one, making it miss the definition of human; and then slaves dont need to be good thinkers, technology could probably create a computer to replace their brain, which would also negate the need to educate them and then the entire world could have an army of subhuman slaves derived from embryos.  or simply modifying the dna just enough not fit what falls for human dna.. "

If the technology's there, then we'd have to deal with such ethical problems. But it this time, it's way too hypothetical tongue
Over here abortion is allowed to the 11th week of pregnancy, and to the 14th week if the embryo is burdened with a severe genetic disorder.

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Over here abortion is allowed up until the baby is fully out of the vagina.

Difference much?

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> Einstein wrote:
I deem you Queen of Politics for the day, you truly have beaten us all with this single post, and I, ever a true politician, bow my proverbial head to you!

----- ^^ tongue


>Einstein:
Nemeara was saying that it could be possible to make someone with no memory, no emotions, and a perfect body. Your not disagreeing huh?

----flinteh you miss-quoting ebil person -_- i didnt say that, i said:
"well maybe they could engineer babies not to be homosexual then as well, i m sure you wont oppose of that, lol"


>Einstein:
Over here abortion is allowed up until the baby is fully out of the vagina.

----- are you sure o_O ? over here there are limits in getation time, i think something like 3 or 4 months

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Yes I am sure.

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Or are you jsut making stuff up again whilst high on drugs?

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http://abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_9313pb.asp

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"Over here abortion is allowed up until the baby is fully out of the vagina.
Difference much?"

If your morals stand in the way of a proper, open discussion, then the discussion is over...

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I am typing while driving. Using on-screen keyboard. Short posts will happen. no insult was meant in that post.

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Try keep your eyes on the road and when you crash try to not hit other people... only your idioticy needs to be removed...

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What's so offensive about his post?

It's illegal to do it beyond 3rd trimester; in practice most states refuse to prosecute.  Kansas tried but Planned Parenthood claims that giving prosecutors access to client files is unconstitutional. Which means they're guilty.

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The doctor who was assassinated in Church advertised his abortions in the last week of a pregnancy. He was one of the top numbers wise performers of that. So yes, abortion can lead to deaths...

There is a famous, if you get away from the lefty media here in the United States, case in which Obama had a chance to vote on abortion, where they were making it a crime to abandon a baby that was unsuccessfully aborted in Illinios. The baby lived for hours in the arms of a nurse, but the baby was denied care because it was 'aborted'. She found it alive in a closet... thrown there like trash.

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That's repulsive. But it has little to do with abortions, imo..

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I think its a missed chance to do a proper health-care reform. It leaves large space for corruption which might eventually cause the average American to loose his health care again because it will be unaffordable.

The way some companies lobbied and got what they wanted is outrageous. What strikes me most is the lack of logic and consistency in what forms of health care you can benefit from. There are over expensive treatments that are paid back while for one such treatment 1000 could have been saved for the same money.

Obama failed to do something good here. Better have no health care as this is m.o.

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