Topic: 8 State Attorney Generals prepare to sue

Litigation is starting against the Health Care bill from 8 States, with 30+ more moving ahead with their plans to sue also.

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I know not what your aim was.. however the lawsuits intend to point out the Federal Government by the Constitution is prohibited from forcing people to buy anything. There are other aspects which also will be sued upon, including special allowances for some states...

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>I know not

I agree with your position, but I stopped reading your second post after those three words.

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Which shows a lack of intelligence, or laziness, or trolling?

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excuse me for seeming dumb, but how is Social Healthcare 'forcing people to buy something'.  the whole point of it is free healthcare (with small subsidies needed to be paid for prescription costs etc).  Surely the healthcare system as it was is forcing people to buy something (namely medical insurance) in order to try to cover the costs of their healthcare?

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The difference is freedom of choice.

I chose to not buy insurance this year. It was my choice. I can afford it, my company offers a plan with very small payments, but I chose not to.

I can afford to cover several major expenses if I must, and emergency care is covered by law.


The Federal Government is prevented from forcing us to purchase a good or a service. This has roots in our Revolution versus England. They forced us to purchase a certain amount of tea, to purchase a certain amount of other goods from their empire... This is something we stood up to, fired weapons against other humans over, and killed over. It is something we overthrew the Government that was controlling us on our lands, and said "NO MORE". This we said we had a right to be protected against, by our own weapons if need be.


Our Government is about to sign into law a requirement that we purchase health insurance, or we will be fined for not having insurance. Our companies can provide it, but we must have 'adequate' insurance according to a single person... The Secretary of Health... The IRS is allowed extraordinary powers to make sure we comply, and can pass along any information to the Department of Health Services. If we do not have insurance, do not pay the fine, then we can be charged with a Felony, given up to a $10,000 fine against us, and lose our voting rights.

If I lose my voting rights temporarily... well best not dwell on that

This is strictly unconstitutional, and will be challenged by a hundred different law groups, and up to 40 States minimum.


There are other provisions in there that are also against the Constitution... but they are much less dangerous than the requirement to purchase...

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"The Federal Government is prevented from forcing us to purchase a good or a service. This has roots in our Revolution versus England. They forced us to purchase a certain amount of tea, to purchase a certain amount of other goods from their empire."

However this isn't an oppressive monarchy demanding you buy tea, this is a group of elected officials telling people to get health insurance.  I don't entirely agree but I also don't see a reason for the big uproar.  Of course I live in a country that before I was born said, "We're going to give you health insurance." and it was good.

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> Einstein wrote:

> Which shows a lack of intelligence, or laziness, or trolling?


which is the same thing you show when you ignore half my posts...

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DPS in the United States forcing us to buy something lead to us killing a lot of people...

Thats the big uproar.

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Dude whatever we pay for health insurance we clearly won't get our moneys worth

If most people got $1.10 in services for every $1 of premium the system would fail

Clearly were gonna get raped

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how does up to 40 states minimum work?

also, from what i read the number is 11.

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11 have actually started

most will wait til Obama signs it, because the courts will wait til then too

and I expect it will be about 40 states; this law puts a lot of costs for federal progams onto the states

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also, chris, yes, in general people will lose a minor amount of money on it, however it works on the presumption that you are better off paying a low amount of money on a regular basis, than a massive amount of money in one go, even if that means there is a chance your payments of low amounts of moneys will end up higher than your healthcare would otherwise have cost you. (note that it could work the other way around too, paying less than what you are actually using)

you take away the pikes in your healthcare program.

i don't think there's anyone denying the idea has a socialistic background, but that does not per s

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The costs of this system will be about 3 times larger than any European equivalent. And we will get about half of what you get to boot also.

The kickbacks for instance, are huge in nature... for Politicians, but not for healthcare. Wheel chair prices are going up 40%, how does this help the poor? The Middle Class? Defibrillator, up 40%... Air tanks so you can breath, 40%... and so forth down the line.

And it kills our AAA rating to an AA or even an A rating, how does this help the United States, and the poor?

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I don't know the specifics of the plan, i'm just saying the concept is not all that horrible

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Look if we were to truly be a socialist utopia, this bill would be never passed. It is all about paybacks to big industry (pharma), kicking those who do not donate to Democrats, and power.


We could do better in a heart beat, the Republicans offered 20 plans that could do much better in a heart beat.

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This is fascism

Govt doesn't give us insurance, it orders us to buy it from patriotic firms

We're now trying to prop up the US economy with foriegn lending, printing money, nationalization of failed financial industries and consumer mandates

When I took political economy in the 1990s and we studied failed postcolonial marxism those were all reasons why singapore and korea kicked the ass of mali and kenya

Little did we know the Federal Reserve would shove the US down the same chute within 10 years

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>I know not
>Which shows a lack of intelligence, or laziness, or trolling?
>well best not dwell on that
>Look if we were to truly be


Sorry I speak English, not half intelligent asshole.

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troll go away then.



14 States suing now. More soon.

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OMG! Einstein  and Chris Balz must work for the health insurance companys. How much did they pay you guys to be their lobbyists?

You are both a couple of right wing goofballs. You do realize that the republican senators and congressmen are in the pocket of the Health insurance and drug companys, right? They should wear patches on their suits, like NASCAR drivers do!!

The system we have now isnt working. Statistics prove that. Is the new Health care bill good? Prolly not. But its a step in the right direction. Somethiing needs to be done. We are supposedly the best country in the world yet we have one the most f'd up health care system in the world. CEOs of insurance companys are the only ones benefiting from our current system.

You 2 teaparty retards need to turn off FOX news once in a while. I think Glenn Beck has you brainwashed or something.

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The Attorny generals can only "sue" if there is a common referundum of state legislature, which they do not have.  If they attempt it without popular support from within their state, they will be spit and roasted.

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The system we have now isnt working. Statistics prove that. Is the new Health care bill good? Prolly not. But its a step in the right direction. Somethiing needs to be done. We are supposedly the best country in the world yet we have one the most f'd up health care system in the world. CEOs of insurance companys are the only ones benefiting from our current system.<<

BS.  If you broke your arm you can go into any emergency room and get it fixed.  If you have insurance, great.  If you pay cash, great.  If you have no money, great.  It gets fixed.

I posted in another thread how a guy wtih a S for an arm can't get it fixed in the UK, they cancelled his last two appointments because he smokes.  A smoker can't have his arm broken and splinted successfully, you see.  I posted pics of WWII soldiers getting patched up WHILE smoking, but who am I to cite facts to bureaucrats.

I don't watch TV news or Glen Beck.

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You are at the Grand Canyon. You need to cross to the other side.

You take one step and fall to your death.

Others say "but it was a step in the right direction!"

I say it was stupid

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