Your useless.

Your a terrorist supporter.

I have placed you on temp ignore or ignore in the past Skoe, your a racist and a bigot, who defends terrorists using missiles every DAY on Israel, and would never let Israel retaliate.

I am putting you on ignore now and wont talk to you.

again with the "all information you have is wrong, even though pretty much every international source there is says it's like that, i know these things better cause i am flint fireforge."<<

Which "international sources"? The ones that publish data on NATO armament that we sell to Israel; or the "OMG U usd fos4us!!!11" type of hysterical columnist? The kind who says we took "heavy casualties" in Iraq? And forges photos of Israeli bombings in Lebanon? It's the second kind aint it?

If you use incindieries a lot, you get wildfires and corpses that look like wienies.  And Americans oughta know.  And I don't see either.

@Chris_Balsz

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Well lets look at the last time the Israeli's gave up land

They built some nurseries, really nice ones, with funds from US Jews (no taxpayer money, just donations).

Europians promised to purchase the entire production of the nurseries at decent rates.

The land was given to the Palestinians.

The DESTROYED the nurseries, while Hamas militia watched.

It is easier to stop killing, than anything else. Missiles reduce the economy of Palestinians (they do not have a nation formally yet, so calling it a nation is wrong, but a people is correct). Those same finely engineered missiles production centers can be used to make cars, engines, lightpoles, electric generators, or a whole host of engineered goods.

The chemicals used in the explosives can be used in fertilizer, household cleaners, or other good commodities.

Hamas and it's missiles are killing the economy of the Palestinians, thus why they are poor.

Lets put it this way, if Greece were to start firing missiles at Germany (which can be argued to be hampering Greece from getting help with their economy) would Germany lay down and offer to do whatever?

NO

They would utterly run Greece over like a freight train.

When Palestinians want peace, they can have peace. Until then we, the World, need to say Palestinians will get nothing until 5 years of no missiles.

@Chris_Balsz

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/<<

Wow that is a biased site.

"Israeli / Palestinian conflict is a major source of world instability"  really?  or is it "Islam tolerates a lot of bigoted yahoos everywhere"

"Palestinians have 1 Israeli prisoner and Israelis have 7432 Palestinians prisoner"

That is because Israel arrests and imprisons people who beat kids to death with rocks; whereas Palestinians don't take prisoners.

When did Private Shalit have his trial?  He is not a prisoner he is a kidnap victim.

>>Atually this was not about phosphorous tracers. it was about smoke screens which are not forbidden but highly controversial when used in dense populated areas. And the Gaza Strip is one of the most densly populated regions in the world.<<

How can you have a debate when you refuse to lie about Israel with all the others? /sarc

>>When u say "the missiles need to stop and there will be peace" you sound like u are not intrested in peace since it is way more difficut for the palestinians to make the first step then it is for israel.<<

Yes I am against "peace", step up the killing and let's have justice.

I'd like to point out that by the definition of Nation, Palestine is one.
"grouping of people who share real or imagined common history, culture, language or ethnic origin"

and though I agree Hamas's motives and actions are questionable, I would say the Israeli's also posses that too though.

Far too much support for the Israeli's in this thread, however I will say that the chances of any kind of peace are highly limited while Hamas is governing over palestine

and I just noticed the Greece/Germany analogy, and actually... you would find that the Germans have a limited armed force still since the Second World War and that ever since then they have been very self conscious about stepping over borders with their armed forces. So likely it would be taken to the UN/EU for settlement.

>>"grouping of people who share real or imagined common history, culture, language or ethnic origin"<<

by that definition the European Union discriminates against Klingons and the Society for Creative Anachronism

== Reply to Post #61 ==

> Wow that is a biased site.

What did you expect :-S.

> When did Private Shalit have his trial?  He is not a
> prisoner he is a kidnap victim.

He is. Kidnapped by Terrorists.

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> highly limited while Hamas is governing over palestine

Unfortunely, yes. And Hamas wont loose power while Israel has Palestine struggling
for daily necessities. That's why i proposed the U.N. should intervene.

Israel shouldn't have to secure Palestine, and Palestinians shouldn't have to be
oppressed by Israel. The U.N. has failed.

> again this isnt saying the Palestinian's are angels, but the way you are
> putting it is way too simple, and its not all palestinians its Hamas.

I've tried explaining it to Flint, but he doesn't understand.

There are good and bad everywhere. There is no such thing as a person
of pure heart, or whatever else hollywood or books will tell you. Some, like
me, try to do the right thing when ever possible. Others, they will try to take
when ever possible.

You cannot judge all based on the actions of a few.

The other half of the problem is actually with people like Flint. These people
demonize what they don't know and sanctify what they are told to.

They might have done that already if the fallout wouldn't affect their own..

"I wish Israel would pass a Constitutional (for them) level law saying per missile we will permanently hold 50 acres previously intended for the Palestinians."

And the award for stupidest comment goes to Flint!

Read some of Khaled Diab's articles about the matter on The Guardian's site. As a Brittish-Belgian Egyptian he's quite good at shunning bigotry. Although he's a bit hopeful sometimes..

If any other nation was being bombed daily no one would nay say them taking out government buildings, power transformers, or invading.

How about Palestine passes a law that states Jews GTFO of their property? The Zionists had no right occupying the Muslims' land.

> Einstein wrote:

> I wish Israel would pass a Constitutional (for them) level law saying per missile we will permanently hold 50 acres previously intended for the Palestinians.