> [Jedi] HappyJedi wrote:

> "Happyjedi was happy about breaking a pnap and admitted that your fam broke the pnap. With that being said, anyone voting tryme as leader is being punished as well because doing so makes them just as dishonorable"

suporting Tryme's decision which was not a nap break... serenity, you dont belong in this discussion because it has nothing to do with you

RedLink, its your stupid fault for assuming we would want to NAP your weak ally... what kind of noob leaves before negotiations are even finished? you are that kind of noob

@29 yous are pussies

@25... psyclOnE is saying if the alliance nap was voided, why do you still have nap with 29? voiding half a nap? or just breaking whatever half of the nap suits you?

Ill keep the respect i have for you and your mother and ignore this message. you are pissed cause you get attacked and I understand.

Rogue Brown

happy now?

> Render wrote:

> chat negotiations often end up like this, too many ppol talking at same time, chat convos cannot never represent an official nap, you all should show waht you have signed in ingame msgs cause nap not written and signed = don't exists.

All I see here is Redlink and Zan trusting ppol in a chat convo they shouldn't trust. I know several players whose I can trust in a chat and many others I can not, so I often try to close negotiations with a well written and clear NAP ingame msg with all the concrete clauses in it, so there cannot be loopholes (I learned 2 rounds ago when I trusted Templare and he miserably broke nap saying it was voided).

So first of all, this is 3225 fault, for trusting Tryme and for doing 'alliance' naps.
Naps must be individuals between 2 fams, written and signed by leaders or/and VLs and signed at relations page. When you dont have all these things done, consider you dont have the nap.

summarry:

Flashy -> A shame your retreat at last time paying 150 planets and leaving your ally in a strange position, when it was suposed to be the mother of all wars and they were prepared to fight and die.

Redlink -> Trusting people you dont have to and agreeing on 'alliance' naps is your fault, you are experienced enough to know it always end up in conflict. You and Zan state that is 27 option to war or nap, but where is it signed?? can you show a document signed by Tryme saying he agrees??

Tryme -> You are a snake, it was suposed your alliance was the loser before war started, you waited to Redlink signed nap at relations and then decided to attack their ally. Low.

SmackOne -> You are lame, lots of shares with 32 and you dont prepare to war, expecting what exactly??

Erm... render, when you say things like that make sure you have a reliable source, lol
We had resources saved but i decided not to jump out of principe. + i think (not considering Tryme ofc) the other comments aren't right as well Flashy wanted to win a war and redlink felt guilty

you're a pussy for not fighting in the first place

Who pays 150 planets for no reason? You coulda atleast put up a fight.. not hand 25 the round because you're scared of them jumping bigger... what happened to the game being fun? PNAPs arent fun.. and im really disapointed in you.  You PNAP'd us too (26/28) because you didnt want a 48 cancel war... wtf? Seriously flashy pussy is about the right word for all this.

I agree with you flashy (lol)

BUT and this is the last time i say this!

There's prove that Tryme said that WE (27!!!!) had the choice to decide within 3 hrs, afterwards he made it 2 hrs, but no question about us deciding in time. I said not to war after ONE hour and a lil over one hour later he started negociations, why? I decided, no? He can't "remember" me saying that. What a lame xcuse.

Just so you know

easy to answer, you posted the chat convo so we can read it and see how Tryme acted with no honor, but if you dont post that convo then it is your word against his word. Same for written naps, you have a document to show, signed by a leader (appart of the signature IC automathically does), yes you can still modify it at your benefit, but mods can check your inbox and post the 'real' document, yes you can delete your msgs but then mods cannot prove your document is valid.

Well this all above 'should' be a way to force people honor the naps, but I dont think it gonna happen (mods are too lazy for that )

When you cannot trust people signing naps then let the war be war and the best win, that's IC after all, IMO I would eliminate NAPs from the game.

god, its so hard to read all this garbage, narrow it down a bit

Learn to read more than ad frases.

I know it could be hard for some of you to concentrate on one subject for more than few seconds, but if you can

says...

and a wise man that doesn't waste words

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches

shame i dont keep logs anymore serenity but if i did i would gladly copy/paste it here... all it would show is me supporting tryme's decision to have a war that i wanted to happen... never did i say we broke nap... you must have deleted your copy/paste posts from irc because you know you are wrong... feel free to look it up in your log and show us all though, if it would make you feel any better about yourself

@ RedLink, please dont ignore my post but just interpret it in a less mean manner than how it looks

you must admit, it is stupid to leave before negotiations have finished, especially considering you were the one pulling the most weight in the convo

@ Flashy, 3225 attackers had very very few shares with 3232 bankers and tryme had many many shares with their bankers... it would have been an awesome war and you ruined it

It would have been a good war. But we did what was needed to stay on top. If we would have warred we would have lost. I'm guessing they had more then 3 days saving while we had 48 hrs. We were doing infra jumps because we were planet fat. As a matter of fact that very same tick they cancelled nap. I had just spent the fam bank on jumping some 29000 buildings. We had only 48 ticks worth of savings and they had many shares with us. so we would have loss big time. And be further down the food chain.