Topic: The 2nd Amendment...

It seems a 5th State has exempted guns made, sold, and stored inside the States lands from ANY Federal law. Of the 50 States, 33 have passed, or are passing such laws.

This is impressive in scope to say the least. This is almost enough of an effort to even re-affirm the 2nd Amendment with a new Amendment under this move.


Tennessee, Utah, Montana, Wyoming and South Dakota all have successfully passed into law their legislation.

The Firearms Freedom Act website also reveals that other states either with pending legislation or pending plans include Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.


Democratic Gov. Dave Freudenthal signed his state's bill into law, it included penalties for any agent of the U.S. who "enforces or attempts to enforce" federal gun rules on a "personal firearm" in Wyoming including up to two years in prison and up to $2,000 in fines.



Can we say the States are playing hardball, and finally stepping up to protect our rights? YAY Wyoming and others! GO TEAM!

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Re: The 2nd Amendment...

And the right to "pursue" happyness?  Does this mean if i'm not happy I have right to go into a federal building and start shooting people?  Seriously, if we're gonna talk about Amendmant rights, might as well talk about the pursuit of happyness.  Which means I can get off scott free for any activity i do, because i'm pursueing my right to do anything I want under the constitution. 

Man that leads to nothing but anarchy.  Stupid gun laws.

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Key... do you read what you say before you post it?

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Re: The 2nd Amendment...

The right to bear arms.  IF we're going to change an amendment because the majority of state laws are dictating what those freedoms are under gun control laws, then we might as well change ALL the amendments to current standards.

I mean our founding fathers hadn't a clue of how out of control some of those amendments were going to get.  I mean back then, not everyone could afford a rifle or a pistol and they probably thought the only people that could afford weapons like that would be the government, the military, and the truelly rich.

They hadn't a clue about such things as Mass Production.  Competitive Business.  Which had made such weapons easy to procure by any Tom, Dick, or Harry.  Which all owned firearms.

Federal Laws come first, then state laws.  That's the law.  That means that if any state government attempts to block the jurisdictional law of the federal government is therefor illegal.  And that the writers of those laws can be arrested under federal guide lines. 

Congrats Wyoming.  Your going to federal prison.

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Re: The 2nd Amendment...

> Key wrote:

> The right to bear arms.  IF we're going to change an amendment because the majority of state laws are dictating what those freedoms are under gun control laws, then we might as well change ALL the amendments to current standards.

I mean our founding fathers hadn't a clue of how out of control some of those amendments were going to get.  I mean back then, not everyone could afford a rifle or a pistol and they probably thought the only people that could afford weapons like that would be the government, the military, and the truelly rich.

They hadn't a clue about such things as Mass Production.  Competitive Business.  Which had made such weapons easy to procure by any Tom, Dick, or Harry.  Which all owned firearms.<

Change an amendment?? They're finally getting back to its roots.

Eli Whitney used mass-produced parts for rifles as early as 1797.  That's 14 years after ratification but I think they could have changed it if they felt like it.

In England able-bodied men had to muster for militia when called up by Lords Lieutenant.  The colonies carried over the practice.  The colonies sent volunteer militia to help the redcoats against the French and Indians for nearly 100 years before the Revolution.  Most of their arms privately owned--and where individuals didn't own them, the states allowed rich guys to buy a railroad car full of rifles, a railroad car full of uniforms, and call themselves "Colonel".  Up until WWI, the majority of Americans under arms in our wars were volunteer militia.  Even in the Civil War, the draftee regular Union Army was only 1/3 of the force.

Up until the 1870s Americans used muskets.  Lead balls were rammed down barrels on top of powder charges.  Troops carried lead molds and if you got a neighbors ammo, you could melt down the ball into one that fit your gun.

Breech-loader rifles with magazines of cartridges changed that.  A guy with a .30-06 could not use 7mm Mannlicher ammo.  Which meant when Iowa militia with .30-06 rifles went to Cuba with two railroad cars of ammo, their ammo had better follow the troops.  THey couldn't use ammo sent by New Yorkers with 7mm Mannlicher rifles.  They'd end up on the beach running out of ammo--and that's what DID happen.

Enter the Dick Act of 1906.  It created a National Guard system where the Federal government would buy arms for state militias, so that in case of national emergency, California guardsmen could use Michigan ammo. Didn't matter. It was uniform.  The National Defense Act of 1917 further integrated the "militia" into the federal Army.

BUT-- warfare was just one job of the militia as intended by the 2nd amendment, and further, if Congress can "cancel out" the Bill of Rights with laws...OUCH

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Re: The 2nd Amendment...

States are talking about privately ran militia's for state use.  We already have the National Guard.  Is the National Guard not up to the task for what the states need in case of an emergency?  Or are they planting the flag to quit the union, because they want a private militia to start shooting federal forces when and if they decide enoughs enough.

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States are talking about privately ran militia's for state use.  <<

That's specifically what the 2nd Amendment authorizes.

We already have the National Guard.<<

See my lenghty exposition.  National Guard only dates to 1906.

Is the National Guard not up to the task for what the states need in case of an emergency?<<

maybe not.  in any case the Constitution authorizes state militias.

Or are they planting the flag to quit the union, because they want a private militia to start shooting federal forces when and if they decide enoughs enough.<<

100 years ago I'd have said the public would lay down their arms rather than fire on federal forces over a political dispute.
Today I think it's the Army that would join the People...

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