Fool,

Yes we are social beings. Not only that, we need to have a supportive social network to be happy and healthy individuals. Moreover, having positive relationships is essential to good health and optimal productivity. Secondly, humans collaborate with each other to add their resources together and produce an even greater output. Third, future intellectuals build from the past. However, you are totally wrong that this adds any credence to Socialism.

Marx argued that our social environment guaranteed our personal outcomes. This means that genes are irrelevant in the outcome of ourselves as persons, and subsequently the people in power do not merit their position. So there is no rational justification for hierarchy or an unequal distribution of wealth. Those with power or wealth acquired it because of a competitively unfair environment that was presented to them by accident, and there would be equality if and only if there were material abundance. With equality, there would be no need for a state, hierarchy, or unequal distribution of wealth. The community would share its resources collectively. Furthermore, people would not engage in selfish acts in a Marxist or Socialist society because their engineering would be different.

Marx and Socialists are wrong that social environment guarantees our personal outcome. Experience and scientific data contradicts this claim, completely destroying Marx.

On the other hand, Individualism says that a person's personal outcome is a product of our social environment, genes, and force of will. This means that you have some measure of influence on who you become. With talent and hard work, you can become someone in a society that is more meritocratic and equal opportunity. Who you are is not guaranteed by your social environment.

Einstein's theories were not a collective effort. Einstein was exposed to influencing theories, and later he synthesized them with his research. He learned from experience just like everyone else does. Of course we do not miraculously produce a theory. There has to be physical causation behind the theory's development. You're equating Individualism with miracles and that is not a fair comparison.

Not this again.

You were already owned, and chewed up.  There is nothing "Interesting" here.

Its a philosophical stand that you, the FOOL, has.   

Even your case of Relativity by Einstein....its still his theory, his project.  Yea, sure you enlist help, you pay them well, they get noticed for working this breakthrough.....Still, its "Einstein's THEORY of Relativity."  Not the Einstein group, or the group who helped Einstein.  Its Einstein's

Socialism is a failed system.  Period.  You can dress it up, call it collectivism, call it what ever you want.  Its stifles growth because it stifles competition.  You have a few at first elected, then steadily appointed...(ahem,....RUSSIA, Venezuela...)  Then you have a ruling group that dictates to the rest.

You last two paragraphs.....you want the Govt. to administer this all.  After all, know one can do it for themselves...correct (lets not muddy it up with those that are unable to.  I can hardly find any that wish to toss them off the cliff or into the sea now adays).

Govt. running Health care, Education and Social Security.....I think its time we get the Govt. out of the business of Business.  Govt. is a proven failure at running anything other than their mouths at election time.

As to your tax system. Ofcourse unfair.  Lets tax the crap out of those who have....after all, they dont deserve it.

Black Wing are you even old enough to know who Reagen was, where you old enough to vote or not vote for him?

No, i had just forgotten that tax as well, given this post was more aimed at socialism in a free market, as opposed to socialism in a free market (:p). So in reality I am looking at 3 'personal' taxes. A flat income tax, a graded goods and services tax and a undesirable tax. Obviously the Income and GST taxes will actually be a low-ish % (taking on your suggestions of allowing the society to determine these values.) The undesirable tax will obviously be much higher, to off-set the damage that the good or service does to the population.

The model grows (or is remmebered better)

>>I shouldn't ask the second, it is obvious from your reply that you do not.<<

Obviously you can't read either Decimus X(

Fool...

Its not a flat tax.   You have a graded tax, with luxury penalties attached.  After all, gotta get those rich people and their toys.
Who are you to judge a luxury or a need ?  Why even bother ?
Dont you leftists get it ?  You artificially raise a price, you cut the demand, and stifle the growth.

so....tax the yachts the rich want to buy....sounds great.
What about the ship builder, the person who delivers the vessel, the boat yard owner, the mechanic, the fuel station, the insurance company, the marine supply shop, and all the banking, clerks/office people to keep these other companies business.

How about, the "Rich" person ( I mean, lets be honest, you want that rich persons money) just goes to the Cayman Islands (or anywhere, I used Cayman, great place), and buys his yacht there, and keeps it there.

Bravo, you elitist no it all.  Your class envy, and the power to attack that "Rich" person, just destroyed an entire industry.

****  BTW, this was tried by Clinton and his "Luxury Tax", and it destroyed the Luxury ship building industry.***

this Marx/Engels Communism/Socialism angle.....what ever.  You embrace a socialist system, I dont.

Teenage Ego stroking...ROFL...good one.  One day, when you actually contribute to society, instead of dictate what you believe it should be, as pounded into your head by the failures of society, academia....you will understand.

Its up to you son, you can embrace my wisdom, or go back to the coffee shop, and discuss your new age socialist Ideals w/the rest of society's non-performers/whiners.

"Socialism is a failed system"
-- Why?

"Its stifles growth because it stifles competition"
-- How came so?

"As to your tax system. Ofcourse unfair"
--Why is it unfair to tax more to people that have more?

"How about eliminating Income taxes and Eliminating Capital gains taxes.
That will empower the working people.  Such a novel, evil Idea...yes ?"
--Really? how will the worker that only earns the minimal wage going to pay for medical care? school?

I'm pretty sure one man, and not a team, invented the spear and the fishing rod

"Because it doesn't reward innovation.   There is no competition, no alternative products/services.  There is only one, administered/controlled/mandated/regulated by a central Govt."

Really? There are different levels of socialism. The government can still provide the basic needs to a population with out affect the economy that much. You can have public schools, hospitals, and still have a private market for it.

"Who are you or I to judge who has or has not ??  Its envy."

Really? I came from a poor family, but thanks to my dad, mum and grandparents, who work day and night, almost with no week-ends and with no holidays manage to give me a good education. And thanks to them, i now earn in one month twice what they did all together by only working 40 hours a week. I know what it is to be poor, they worked more than i will ever work, but still i earn much more. Do i find fair to pay abit mor taxes? Yes i do.

"Do you think the Govt. just pulls the capital out of the sky to pay for these programs ?"

Lol, I do pay my taxes do you know? almost 40% what i earn goes to the government, do i care? Not that much, its a fair deal.

Do you really think YOU don't pay for these increases in Taxes either on the "rich" or the Corporations

One of the major banks of my country is going to increase interest rates because of the semi-crises in USA. What they forgot to say is that this year they will make more profit than ever. Funny isn't?

If you increase 5% of taxes for the big Corporations they still make profit.

BW: Anarchy does not work, neither does libertarianism, which are the two systems you are putting forward. These systems are just as ideal as communism, capitalism, globalism or any other

BW: One day you will grow up and you will relaise your wet dreams are as much a faliure as the dreams of Marx and Engels... TIll that day I suggest you go back to your basement and study hard....

1) Also you so called 100% compression was still not done solely in isolation, else how would you know of compression aglorithims in the first place?

My point is not that great minds don't have their own input, but that all great advances are made via sparks of genius within a pool of knowledge... Thus I am not discounting indivudual wonders, i am merely stating something which seems quite obvious, that they do so within a collective pool. Even The Yells cave man with a spear was not doing so alone... at the very least he came up with a spear on the need to better catch or defend his family/tribe.

2)  Einstiens Theory is proved flaw at the limits, much like Newtons law is fine in earth like frames of reference. The Quantum theory of gravity is the next big hope, or M-Theory, both of which may jsut expand the frame of reference and there still may be limits to that.

3) I miss where an upper limit matters. Have I said there is an upper limit on anything? Or a lower limit? Teh only limit I placed on anything was the idea of limit on untaxed income, the first $x/yr of a person's income tax is not taxed at all. In my model public funds are used to ensure everyone has health care... whether that is a fully government run healthcare (likie in most countries) or if it is a government run healthcare insurance package (sort of like how I understand medicare in the US to be?) is up to that country itself; seeing it is the community which should decide what is best for the community.

4) I don't think I have said anything about demilitarization at all. Just because I put forward 3 primary objectives for a government to spend tax money on, does not mean that there are not secondary objectives, or that a nation could change priorities if the community so wished. I will make no secret that I am personally a pacifist and would prefer to see no miltaries, and even no police, but that is heading towards ideal conditions. Something I see this model as keeping away from. Also Mugabe is not popular in Zimbabwe, don't mistake fear for popularity.

Anyway, next time you "utterly debunk stuff" try and actually read the posts so that which you are "utterly debunking" is actually what has been written. You are worse than BW, how are either of you going to hope to survive in the actual debates of politics idol?