"The terrorist hides behind his baby to fire at the Israeli."

That's ridiculous, strollers make terrible cover.  He'd toss the baby aside, load the stroller up with explosives and push it at the Israeli.

"The Israeli gets in front of his stroller to protect the baby while firing back knowing if he does not, both babies die anyways.

Neither of them know if the children are Jewish, or Arab... Nor do either care."

Wrong on 3 counts.  1) Just as the stroller would provide terrible cover for the Arab 1 Israeli provides terrible cover for the baby.  If the Israeli has the intelligence to tie their own shoes they'd put as much distance between themselves and the baby to minimize the chances of the baby getting hit. 2) You and I may not be able to tell the difference, I assure you they can.  3) They do care, I know you'll never accept it but groups like Hezbolah and other extremist groups don't blow up their own people for fun, and the Israeli's aren't exactly saints.

And really I'm getting sick of people picking on these groups for targeting civillians/using them as shields, I know it's not a popular topic but every western nation is guilty of doing the exact same thing.  War is hell and you don't always have the luxury of being picky.

"Yeah, like how we put civilians inside the World Trade Center to attempt to dissuade bombings.  Despicable!"

No but the construction of military factories in Civilian areas, the garrissoning of soldiers in civilian areas, carpet bombing civilian areas to get at said factories, dropping Napalm on cities in an attempt to devastate enemy morale.  Every western nation has done this in the past, and will in the future, with the exception of neutral nations like Switzerland.

Militarized yes but they don't actually do anything.  It's not like the Swiss are picking fights with people and then hiding behind their civilians.

And what was that about the French?

where did this come from, lol
seems like you got a news/politics overload recently flinteh

it's been quite dead indeed

but i meant this story bout the babystroller, clearly you wanted to make a point, but i was wondering what triggereed it ?
did i miss somethins in the news bout the middle east situation o_O ? i thought nothing out of hte ordinary had happened the last couple of days...

DPS... a factory is built, should it be 100 miles, 1000 miles, 1,000,000 miles, or more away from a civilian center?

Factories rely upon workers, workers require housing, stores to shop at, day care centers, movie theaters, parks, hospitals and a whole list more of things.

A factory by essence must be at minimum in the industrial sector of a city. Especially for logistical purposes.

But I guess you lack the intelligence to have realized this.

Nemeara the story is one that has played out over my lifetime, no I was not a witness, no I was not party, no two babies were not left out, but this story... it is the heart of the matter.

When you willingly prey upon innocents, when you seek them out, as part of the act of so called war.... it differentiates you... and when you are willing to protect, at ~ANY~ cost an innocent... it differentiates you as well.

These are truisms that can be detected.

When you glorify someone for killing children and innocents, it sets you apart. When you glorify someone for losing his life protecting children and innocents... it sets you apart.

One is inherently evil, the other is inherently good. There is no 'middle spectrum' and this is an effort to teach that, sometimes, there is no middle ground... Just black or white.

I do not need triggers to know whats right or wrong, I do not need the press pushing me to a 'new story'. I need only my mind to point out issues.

i dunno what you mean by factory centers

US factories havent been hit by enemies since WWI and that was by saboteurs

why Euros do anything I dont know

maybe you go crazy if you can't smell lots of other Euros, like chickens

> Einstein wrote:

> If a bomb factory gets hit, blows out the neighborhood, well thats the price for a bomb factory in a neighborhood. They could vote it out, force it to leave their town (Hazardous materials after all are regulatable) but they wanted the $$.

Depends on the situation.  Could Hamburg really refuse a ball bearing plant during World War 2?

Easy enough to disprove

Which group(s) has a tradition of placing explosives, troops, weapons, and such in: Mosques, Schools, Government Offices, privately owned homes (citizens homes) and Hospitals?

THE ANSWER: Hamas and Hezbollah!!!

the difference between Hamas/Hezbollah and Israel is that Hamas/Hezbollah are the oppressed and Israel the oppressor...

Uh.

Who are you talking to flint?
Who are you talking to avogadro?

Quoting would be nice to build context within your argument.

But either way my point still stands. Both sides need to be controlled, and the
respective leaders (commanders, or those making such civilian-killing decisions),
need to be held accountable for the innocent deaths of so many children and the
degraded life-style so many children must endure.

But of course that wont happen.

this is a forum, i am talking to every reader... i was addressing flint's argument though...