Topic: Summary of Diplo Events: 57/52 vs 49/56
Okay so obviously theres a lot of confusion around what exactly happened. Infact, not a lot of 49/56 themselves know what happened, because they were often left out of the decision.
I'm just gonna post what happened from our perspective fully, through and through. It's gonna be long - so don't bother reading if you're not interested.
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- Round started, and clearly we identified who 4 of the top fams are. 48h NAP was made between 57/52 and 49/56. This NAP involved 20 cores per fam.
- Eventually 57/52 were falling in eco (esp 52) and 49 had a monstrous one with a clear lead. 57 had the planet advantage. We knew we had to war now, before it got out of hand or set a date for an EOR war where we can finally consolidate our planet gains and catch up the eco difference.
- I approach Noir and CS (leaders of 49 and 56 respectively) and ask if they're interested in an EOR war. I talk to AA about the same and let him know that we're very keen for an EOR war - he said he'd talk to the fams and post in their forum.
- After 2 days of mucking around, CS says no they don't want a war because Noir has one planned with 43 already. From this point onwards EOR war is OFF the TABLE (as declined by Noir).
- I cancel the 48 hour NAP we have with the alliance, war is to be in 48 hours - from our perspective it was no we had to war, and it was prime time for us with allies to all be online and have a good war. In the cancellation message I said we'd be still interested in talking about an EOR war.
- I talk to AA and tell him what the situation is and he learns that we cancelled the NAP. He then proceeds to tell me that none of his attackers are going to be online for the war and he wnats an EOR war. Here are the logs:
03:45:43: <AdriusAvangion> you cancelled the NAP ?
03:45:51: <Torqez> I did, ya
03:46:15: <AdriusAvangion> lol
03:46:17: <AdriusAvangion> yike
03:46:26: <AdriusAvangion> is this to force an eor war date?
03:46:34: <Torqez> no its not
03:47:04: <Torqez> its a 'we'd love an eor date war, but incase u guys muck around too much and can't decide just atm, then its best for us to war now' kinda thing
03:47:21: <Torqez> if that makes sense ![]()
03:47:40: <AdriusAvangion> it does
03:48:18: <AdriusAvangion> we have to
03:48:21: <AdriusAvangion> or we are dead
03:48:29: <AdriusAvangion> cuz i talked to my brother earlier today...
03:48:50: <Torqez> your brother?
03:48:52: <AdriusAvangion> and im prolly gonna be at his house Thurs-Sat, then goin to a friends place sat and sun
03:49:05: <AdriusAvangion> i wont be home until late sunday night
03:49:06: <AdriusAvangion> ![]()
03:49:07: <AdriusAvangion> i cant war
03:49:16: <AdriusAvangion> i will have no internet access
03:49:17: <Torqez> woa dc
03:49:29: <Torqez> mibbit just made me rejoin all myc hannels, lol
03:50:19: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> and im prolly gonna be at his house Thurs-Sat, then goin to a friends place sat and sun
03:50:19: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> i wont be home until late sunday night
03:50:19: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> ![]()
03:50:20: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> i cant war
03:50:20: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> i will have no internet access
03:50:38: <Torqez> ah -_-
03:51:10: <AdriusAvangion> blackICE has to work this weekend
03:51:15: <AdriusAvangion> and so does skulls
03:51:26: <AdriusAvangion> and sat - mon hes gonna be at a casino
03:51:29: <AdriusAvangion> with no internet
03:51:40: <AdriusAvangion> so IF this war happens in 48 hours, you got us
03:51:41: <AdriusAvangion> we are dead
03:51:50: <Torqez> mm
03:52:08: <AdriusAvangion> i guess if i were you, i would go thru with the war anyways
03:52:12: <AdriusAvangion> cuz now you know you have the advantage
03:52:16: <AdriusAvangion> and kill my family at will now
03:54:49: <Torqez> well
03:54:54: <Torqez> its the best time for us now
03:55:02: <Torqez> its given me a lot of stress to figure it out ![]()
- Anyway, immediately after the cancellation Noir and CS both message me saying they want an EOR war (after previously having said no).
- I say sure, we set a date and a time and the offer is changed, I demand 200 planets for reinstating the NAP (100 to 57, 100 to 52). Planet count for both fams was around 1-1.k at the time.
- Both fams are pissed off obviously - but the offer before the cancellation was a straight up EOR war. After I cancelled though, we wanted planets for our troubles. This was the new offer and if it wasn't taken we were still more than willing to go ahead with our cancellation and war. [NB: In hindsight, I should have just gone on and warred at this point and saved everyone from the fiasco to follow].
- CS signs the new NAP, with war being on March 15th 22:00 GMT. Noir signs it too, and states that 200 planets will be paid by 56.
- CS informs me that planets will be paid from herself and AA, who are both deleting and we should take the planets.
- We proceed to start taking her and AA's planets (she removed all defenses).
- Damaris jumps online (56) and tells us to wait and he wants to sort out the situation. I said okay and we stopped taking planets.
- A few more planets got taken (msg didn't get thru to everyone), maybe 10-20.
- Damaris then all of a sudden refuses to abide by nap that noir made and doesn't want to pay 200 planets from his fam. Meanwhile his fam has already taken cs's planets.
- I tell Noir that 56 arn't paying the planets and he better sort out the situation. Logs below:
00:00:30: <noir> just so this is clear, if 56 dont come up with planets, its their fault, ive done what i can to force them
00:38:31: <Noir2> and i really hope you get them
00:38:33: <Noir2> but its really out of my hands
00:39:19: <Torqez> well do what you have to. you agreed 56 would pay the planets. this was done under the assumption they would do it willlingly
00:39:36: <Torqez> if they dont, then you better sort something else out
00:39:47: <Noir2> there is nothing in the agreement that says willingly
00:39:53: <Noir2> they will pay the planets
00:40:05: <Noir2> please stay to the facts this time and dont weasel your way out
00:40:31: <Noir2> what assumptions ppl make are truly irrelevant is what youve teached me
00:41:47: <Torqez> thats the point noir
00:41:48: <Torqez> they are NOT paying the planets
00:41:59: <Noir2> then go take them from them
00:42:00: <Noir2> i dont care
00:42:12: <Noir2> we arent remaining allies
00:42:16: <Torqez> LOL
00:42:23: <Torqez> so u pay the planets from 56, and then drop them?
00:42:29: <Noir2> no
00:42:32: <Noir2> cs pays the planets
00:42:36: <Noir2> knowing she let my fam down
00:42:59: <Noir2> the game has no honor, youve teached me that
00:43:45: <Noir2> it was them who needed all this crap
00:43:51: <Noir2> and they have to pay for it
00:44:15: <Noir2> and wed raher give you their empty planets than our 700% ones
00:44:37: <Torqez> Well then, you make sure that happens - it's not my responsibility
00:44:57: <Noir2> well if its not your repsosisiblity, and not mine
00:45:08: <Noir2> then this will be slow
00:45:27: <Torqez> And messy, yep
00:45:36: <Torqez> I dont really care, I just want my planets
00:45:37: <Noir2> messy not til 15th march or so
- GeneralSkulls (56) jumps online and asks for more time to pay the planets. I said no problem, so long as we get the coords. Surely enough, true to his word, GS gives us the coords of CS's planets and us and our allies proceed to take them. I assume some were in their original core but I guess noone cared because 56 was to be dropped by 49. All planets paid barring about 15 which we never really cared about.
- Time goes on and much of the round progresses.
- I get a message from Noir at some point later in the round, asking if all planets had been paid from original NAP. I tell him yes, save for 15 planets. He gives me coords and we take the planets.
- We had our war with 54 (scorp and EOD) in which they nap broke early 2 ticks and we proceeded to regain what we lost and then proceeded to take it to them. Scorp and EOD both delete, as well as players who didn't approve of the napbreak. 800 planets or so explored by all fams nearby.
- I take a 1 week break from IC. During this time, Noir msgs me of core violations and doesn't mention it to Pitbull (57)or Venom (57) but rather keeps asking about my return.
Side note here. These core violations don't exist in 49s core, but they are a few of the planets that were given to us by 56 as part of original payment.
- During this break of mine, Noir also messages me about being bored and wanting an earlier war.
Week 39, 18
wanna war now?
we can set a limit no attackers over 9 mill or so ![]()
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)
Week 39, 18
im extreemly bored
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)
Week 23, 19
we gotta talk
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)
Week 51, 19
We gotta talk about this war if you want, been trying to get you to talk for days now, its very much in your interest to talk to me
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)
- All of a sudden (while I'm still away), Noir 'cancels' our nap saying war is in "96 hours" on March 10th 21.00pm GMT
- I advise them and try my utmost best to convince them that they cannot cancel it, and war was predetermined by all of us for March 15th 22.00 GMT. This was well understood by all of us.
- Noir openly admits to abusing a loophole and says that in my NAP message I wrote: "48H Alliance NAP expires on March 15th 22:00 GMT". Says that he has the ability to cancel it. This is against what was decided earlier and he obviously just wanted to war earlier to a time that suited himself.
- I talk to Stan (now leader of 56) and tell him War goes on the 15th. He says no, and war is on 10th whether we fight or not. Mizzle says the same thing in forums, as do Levitas and Tico (i think). Stan even messages me this and says he's not bound by any agreements made by 56 previous leader, CS:
Week 49, 20
Nap is canclled. War will still go on the 10th
Signed, Money talks of AC DC (3156)
Week 49, 20
first of all. Iam not bound to anynap made by CS. She left and took all the ppl agreeing to the nap. And second off all. You know all the core breaches u have ignored. So yes. The war will happend 10th eigther u fight back or not
Signed, Money talks of AC DC (3156)
- Noir says if we didn't want it cancelled earlier it should have been explicitally written that "This nap cannot be cancelled earlier" and I advise him that was the whole purpose of setting a date. Not only that, but if they wanted to play the loophole game, then it doesn't specifically say he 'can' cancel it earlier either. Everything is ignored, and they still want to fight on 10th, regardless if we show or not - and according to Mizzle they'll just take off us "free planets".
- 57 and 52 attack 49, 60 hours after their cancel message, more than 48h that was stipulated in nap agreement.
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This is how it all went down according to us. It's all out here, make your decisions yourself. I'm not going to talk about it anymore than I have already (largely because I've said too much already
). But more importantly, because no amount of convincing 49/56 will make them believe anything else.
AA even claims he didn't say those things and I 'doctored' the logs. I just simply can't argue with that if that's the mentality.