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I don't think that's a good idea Nox wink

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Haha yeah. But it turns out I do have instants with 49. Maybe I'll run one of their bankers' fleets and see how much I can raid. Loool.

*Goes on mIRC to plan some stuff*

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Week 29, 12

This is an offer from 57/52 to 49/56.

The components of the offer:
- 48H Alliance NAP reinstated in its entirety.
- 48H Alliance NAP expires on March 15th 22:00 GMT
- 3156/3149 agree to Pay 3157/3152 200 planets total (100 to 3152 and 100 to 3157). Planets will be paid within 2 days.

Signed Torqez (3157 and on behalf of 3152)


Nap offer accepted, planets will be paid from 56

Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)


If that is indeed the NAP that was agreed upon, I don't think 57 has any grounds to complain about what 49 is doing.

It clearly states they had a 48h NAP which was being reinstated, again as a 48h NAP. The only difference is it would automatically expire at the date they wrote down in the offer.

Nowhere does it say it cannot be cancelled before, or that the fams are obliged to fight at that set date.

It was a badly written NAP offer, that's all. If they want they can agree on a new deal, but, looking solely at what was agreed upon, what 49 is doing is completely legal.

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Well I hope everyone learns a lesson. No matter how bad someone cries about "no being ready" or "my attackers are gone please wait", just freaking attack them anyways. It will always come back to bite you in the Noir.....errr...I mean ass.

"The market is like a.....game within a game Teddy"

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If you say so. Once again we are hearing Noir's talking point. This is becoming a joke. lol

Venom

The real one not the one posing as 2.0.

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Oh I know. I'll PM everyone in 49 and see what each individual's opinion is in this. And no response would mean they're all lamorz like Noir.

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Dont waste yor time Nox. Its not Noir's decision, Its a fam decision. Thank you.

"Te he dicho que no mires atras, porque el cielo no es tuyo, y hay que empezar despacio, a deshacer el mundo..." - Heroes del Silencio

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Yeah I'm all bluff anyway. But okay sad You guys must really hate Torqez for the earlier incident.

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Nox, you seem pretty interested in this situation, Why?

As far as the decision, we all had input on it.  If anything, Noir is just echoing our sentiment.

Current Status: Done with Imperial Conflict

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Tico, atenci

Cheat Sheet = Grindelwald = Whitebeard = Lunarstar = Natale = Valkiria

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I have nothing to gain or lose with this and I don't even really know any of the players involved in either side. I just like the spirit of fair play and for the sake of the community I was butting my head in to try to offer some outside input to try to remedy it.

But I don't think you guys will change your mind on breaking the NAP since it was the family's decision. Kinda makes me sad that I expected more from the general players, and that it's so difficult to get fun and proper wars.

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Nox read the agreement we had, genesis posted it and commented it perfectly.

Its a 48h nap with autoexpiration.

Now drop your nonsense, its clear to us you are just flaming

LORD HELP OREGON

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It's all subjective. But I'm confident to say that the majority of the spectators have the same view as me rather than yours. With that, I'll stop posting since I think it's beginning to be a waste of my efforts. GL HF!

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> Nox wrote:

> I have nothing to gain or lose with this and I don't even really know any of the players involved in either side. I just like the spirit of fair play and for the sake of the community I was butting my head in to try to offer some outside input to try to remedy it.

>But I don't think you guys will change your mind on breaking the NAP since it was the family's decision. Kinda makes me sad that I expected more from the general players, and that it's so difficult to get fun and proper wars.


Judging from this it seems that you are on the side of saying it an illegal NAP breach.  While us canceling may be against the spirit of the agreement, there's nothing saying it can't be done.  In fact, the first line of the new NAP was that the old NAP was reinstated.  The old NAP is reinstated in its entirety with the only added stipulation that it auto expired on the 15th.  I would really like some hard evidence that this is an illegal NAP break.  I really would.

Current Status: Done with Imperial Conflict

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It's not illegal, it's just not in the spirit of what you guys had planned. Hopefully everyone learns something. Never let someone off the hook, just attack them. That's what we have all learned from this. 57 should have just went ahead with their plans for war, even if 56 wasn't ready weeks ago. Now it's coming back to haunt them.

"The market is like a.....game within a game Teddy"

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Eh I can't help myself but respond. I chose the word  "breaking" the NAP because at the time it was made, I assume that in everyone's mind it was a NAP that would auto expire on the 15th, and not sooner. But the wording didn't represent 100% what the NAP was meant to be and that's the "loophole" you guys are abusing. If you guys in Noir's fam already saw that loophole when it was made, well, whatever.

So from the written NAP agreement, you guys aren't breaking it. But in every other sense, you are breaking the NAP. You can play with my choice of words or Torq's choice of words or whatnot, but I'm sure you know what fair play is and that this isn't. Okay I'm really done.

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Well never expect a fair fight from noir... one of his tactics is asking other families to kill the population of pop bankers of naped families to slow them down...

it happend to our family and to our allies as well...

Cheat Sheet = Grindelwald = Whitebeard = Lunarstar = Natale = Valkiria

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Hey whitebeard btw smile i'm currently playing in 3145, I didnt know you were with Tobi. Brings back memories wink

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Ok people I'm gonna post another side o the story.

I'm from 56 and this agreement was made without any input from the rest of the family.  First off we were informed that 57 was cancelling.  The time that they cancelled would have been horrible for our alliance because all of our attackers were gone.  Torquez had mentioned that he would be happy moving the date to a later point in time because not having any of our people here to play would be boring, but demanded 100 then 200 planets to be given.  To reinstate nap.  Only 3 of 56's family members knew of the agreement at the time it was made, and all of those members have since deleted.  CS told 57 that she would pay all the comp with her planets and then deleted.  The players that were left asked 57/52 to give us some time to figure out what the hell was going on, but I think the response was talk to your leader (cs who quit). We wanted to give other planets to 57/52 so that they weren't all over our core.  57/52 did not stop until they had taken nearly 150 planets all over our core.  Mind u we asked them to stop much sooner.  When we started taking cs's planets so that 57/52 would have to negotiate the planets they were to receive they threatened to war us again... From our side of the view it looked like all they wanted was to humiliate our core and even out home system.

This is not a NAP break.  It is a cancellation.  Our family is screwed when the war starts because of the core violations anyway so it will be 49 vs 57/52.  57/52 would like to say there are no core violations as they were paid as comp, but they all know they just took what they wanted (planets all over our core) so that a later war would be easier.  I don't really know why they are upset now.  They clearly have the most advantage.  They have much better location, they are larger, and 56 is gonna be completely out of the picture after the first tic.  So just quit  arguing over the date or fight.

Oh and by the way I'm sure if u guys offer us 200 planets all over your core we can agree on a later date. tongue

If a man speaks in the woods and no woman is around is he still wrong?

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Natale en realidad nuestra familia es la que esta realmente enojada con Torqez y se podria decir que con todo 57, la jugada que hicieron con nosotros en la primera guerra ciertamente nos hace sentir incomodos, y creo que ellos fueron los que hicieron que esta guerra no fuese justa. De igual forma es un juego, y vamos a divertirnos big_smile

"Te he dicho que no mires atras, porque el cielo no es tuyo, y hay que empezar despacio, a deshacer el mundo..." - Heroes del Silencio

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damned Genesis, I thought you were retired... you play very silent but successfull tongue

After the war between the top alliances, nothing can stop you from winning the round wink

Congratulations already now wink

Cheat Sheet = Grindelwald = Whitebeard = Lunarstar = Natale = Valkiria

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Oh and 49 keeps spinning their version of a NAP break. I think soon we will see Noir for President.

Venom

The real one not the one posing as 2.0.

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Ola Tico, si vamos divertirnos, estoy detras de vos e voy conculcar tu c... big_smile

!!!ATENCION!!!

Estoy bromeando, me gusta de bularme de Noir wink

Yo sei que siempre tiene dos lados e siempre ambos piensan tener razon!
Eso es la vida e por eso vamos batallar wink

Cheat Sheet = Grindelwald = Whitebeard = Lunarstar = Natale = Valkiria

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jeje si, cada ronda se esta volviendo mas aburrida, entonces hay que ponerle algo de picante para que haya accion big_smile

"Te he dicho que no mires atras, porque el cielo no es tuyo, y hay que empezar despacio, a deshacer el mundo..." - Heroes del Silencio

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lol Gen.

Where does it say the agreement can be cancelled before?  The agreement is set and expires on the set date.  No where does it say that it can be cancelled before the agreed time.

The NAP was set on the agreement of all parties that War is going to be on March 15th, 22.00 GMT.  This is undisputable.  Just because 49 got bored and can't attack anyone else (incl the PNAP they have with you guys), is not a reason to all of a sudden cancel a NAP that they have no ability to cancel.

You can't cancel the NAP because you're bound to abide by it - which states it expires only on March 15th, 22:00 GMT - not earlier.