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Kollop you do not know what you are talking about. 57 has 3 main attackers just because torqez is away life still goes on.

Venom

The real one not the one posing as 2.0.

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> Rin wrote:

> i thought you quit already kollop.

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well i did 1 year, then friend called me back, then i've been gang banged by mod teams so thought i would quit again, then tried to see ICPG and had some fun with big part of my fam found honorable enemies like Anubis so i signed for another round with ppl i wanted to play for a long time

'Success! The realm of Genesis has been reduced to dust! Our forces are leaving the planet though, as it is scheduled for demolition to make way for a new hyperspace bypass.'

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1) I'm not the main attacker
2) Wtf has main attacker got to do with any of this anyway?
3) What does 54 have to do with anything of this? 
4) FYI - 54 broke nap on us and then deleted - the planets weren't just ours to explo - everyone explored them.
5) Yes we have an issue with anything else other than March 15th 22.00 GMT - That is why we decided that time.
6) Once again, I'm not main attacker and have no idea what it has to do with anything.
7) War was predetermined on March 15th 22.00 GMT.  You do not have the ability to cancel it earlier, nor are you doing us any favours by giving additional notice than 48 hrs when its not even in your ability to cancel the NAP earlier.  Don't play the loophole game with me.
8) If you guys were bored out of your minds (Noir messaged me this) and wanted an earlier war, then you guys could have always come to talk to Pitbull, Venom or myself (was away though) to organise something that suits everyone.  Cancelling NAp and then pretending it to be cos of core violations is completely absurd.
9) Why are you scared of a fight on March 15th?  Everything was building up very nicely towards this.

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fair enough kollop

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

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just fight on the 15th like you are supposed to, or are you scared?

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

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i agree 15th the battle should be.

"Heh heh heh heh heh heh!"

Metrex

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NAPs are family to family.. not leader to leader. If a leader that signed the nap for his family is not longer there that does not mean the nap is no longer official or valid.

~~Lemming of leather and lollipops~~

Right, so what are we waiting for?  Can we get this going?  Any other feedback?

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Why are people hung up on us being scared to fight the 15th.  Why not ask if they are scare to fight us the 10th?  (Don't answer, I don't care all that much.  If you want to push stupid people around just suggest they are afraid to do something.  Its a simple manipulation tactic that is childish.)

Its still a 48 NAP, even Torquez's posting of the new agreement calls it a 48 NAP, hence it can be canceled.

On a side note, I'm very interested to see how well this denial tactic can work.  I have a friend that got laid off last week, but perhaps he can walk into his boss's office and say "Nope, I'm working here, end of story."

Or even a friend who broke up with his girlfriend ... perhaps he can call her and say "No, we're still going out, see you tonight!"

Actually, it was the same friend ... he's had a crappy week.

Current Status: Done with Imperial Conflict

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Sorry you lost your job and girlfriend, Levitas.

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lol, actually it was a friend, I'm employed and married, its a different kind of hell.

Current Status: Done with Imperial Conflict

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WOW all the mods gathering for this big issue.
Even for nap breaks they dont even move but setting the war the 10th instead of the 15th... maybe even Stefan will come to see if the agreement is available or not!!!
Just with the text i can find many reasons to be abble to cancel earlier, i can even post a yama and ull see some big issues seeing 57 in 56 HS...and if that's not enuf i studied law 5 years and first rule of an agreement is that it's not available when 1 of the part agreed under any pressure or threatened. Well it was french law but even in less civilised countries i think it's the same...girl vs boy, mod vs player, then the girl deleted just after...
If i get annubis to gives me all his fam planets then he deletes will his 11 other members and 12 allies will be obliged to follow the agreement???
I proposed to change the day if there are some issues with the 10Th but they keep moaning for 1 day they don't even know if it's a monday or a thursday... we put it at 9pm pmt that Torqs doesnt sleep when it happens (even if he isnt main...), call it like u want, even nap break if u want since mods can sleep better if it is, but we will fight this day and if they don't they'll lose if they do they'll win since 57 has more saves than 56-49 included and i'm sure 100% their attackers will be there to jump and fight all days and nights like if it was the 15th. And the 15th when war is finished, they will say cool it's finished even before it should start and i can enjoy my time.
Now stop moaning and FIGHT!!! smile

'Success! The realm of Genesis has been reduced to dust! Our forces are leaving the planet though, as it is scheduled for demolition to make way for a new hyperspace bypass.'

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Ofcourse we're gonna fight - on the 15th of March, like we agreed upon.

We're all looking forward to it.  I don't really care who wins or loses, it's never been about that (and its a Pity Scorp didn't realise this either) but more so about us all jumping some fleets and bashing each other.

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Kollop I have made posts about this before. This is not an isolated incident. If people start throwing NAPs out the window because another leader made it and is no longer there then this will do nothing but create trouble.  NAPs are between families unless it is a personal NAP.

~~Lemming of leather and lollipops~~

Right, so what are we waiting for?  Can we get this going?  Any other feedback?

89 (edited by Noir 08-Mar-2010 08:28:59)

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Torqez im sorry to say you are wrong, the deal we made clearly states that we are signing a 48h nap ending on 15th. Possibility earlier cancellelation isnt mentioned at all, although it implied by the 48h nature of the nap.

You loophole me i loophole you, lets call it even and have a good war smile, you guys all know you are most likely going to beat us, its going to be 6 attackers vs 3 attackers as 56 are pretty much useless.

LORD HELP OREGON

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"Torqez im sorry to say you are wrong, the deal we made clearly states that we are signing a 48h nap ending on 15th. Possibility earlier cancellelation isnt mentioned at all, although it implied by the 48h nature of the nap."

Wrong again Noir.  How can you cancel a NAP earlier than specified.  The NAP clearly states that the agreement expires on March 15th, 22:00 GMT.  You can't 'cancel' it earlier just cos it suits you.

Ah well, good to have your standpoint on this.  Not sure what got into you to ruin this for everyone, everything was headed well towards a good EOR War.  Oh incidentally, wern't you scheduled to fight 43 during this time? (lmao)

"You loophole me i loophole you, lets call it even and have a good war smile, you guys all know you are most likely going to beat us, its going to be 6 attackers vs 3 attackers as 56 are pretty much useless."

And thanks for admitting you're trying to use a loophole.  The fact we have 6 attackers vs your 3 (which is totally incorrect btw - you're supposedly good at math, I thought counting attackers would be easy for you), has nothing to do with the cancellation whatsoever.

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Torqez, a 48h nap agreement with a set end just means the agreement expires, since its a 48h agreement it is obvious it can be cancelled prior to that date. Loopholes are crap indeed, and i wish you hadnt brought them into this round. However you should consider this somehwat of a thx for last time when you did it to us. Im sorry if this ment you couldnt dictate the round as you wanted, tough luck. Scores now even, let the war decide. I still believe you will win so dont start sulking yet.

LORD HELP OREGON

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/2010  3:36:39 p.m.  Kollop  Miqdad  i had to fight 3 days that my fam and allies dont void the agreement
8/03/2010  3:36:50 p.m.  Kollop  Miqdad  so im not the bad guy
8/03/2010  3:36:50 p.m.  Miqdad  Kollop  huh?
8/03/2010  3:37:27 p.m.  Kollop  Miqdad  i just asked for it to fight few days earlier that i dont spend my holidays playing ic
8/03/2010  3:37:34 p.m.  Miqdad  Kollop  ... 
8/03/2010  3:37:39 p.m.  Miqdad  Kollop  you serious?
8/03/2010  3:37:48 p.m.  Kollop  Miqdad  i never lie
8/03/2010  3:37:55 p.m.  Miqdad  Kollop  why did you guys cry when they cancelled on you then?
8/03/2010  3:38:31 p.m.  Kollop  Miqdad  we had twice torqs saves
8/03/2010  3:38:40 p.m.  Kollop  Miqdad  we would have raped them


the first name = person who is speaking.

theres a lot more to this convo lol

seems like its merely a convenience thing lol just for Kollop...

he doesnt wana fight in his holidays, so he has to cancel earlier tongue

"Heh heh heh heh heh heh!"

Metrex

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18-Feb-2010 06:29:30
AdriusAvangion
Player Re: 57/52 vs 49/56Its not a publicity stunt. There was going to be a war, but it has been postponed. Counterstrike and myself are paying them 100 planets to reinstate the NAP. After we have paid the planets her and i are deleting and retiring from IC.

We had originally thought the 52-57 alliance wanted to have a fun end of round war. They wanted to set a date to have this war. They cancelled our NAP in an effort to force our hand into setting a date. We had all agreed on a date. Then they asked for 100 planets to reinstate the NAP. They only did this knowing our attackers were gonna be gone most of the weekend and we had no choice but to accept.

My mistake was tellin Torqez about our attackers being gone. I was naive to believe he wouldnt take advantage of that. I was lead to believe he wanted to have a fun war at the end of the round. Apparently he cares more about winning than fun.

So because of this act counterstrike and myself are retiring. Each round is getting progressively worse. The fun is being sucked out of this game by people who are so hellbent on winning that they will do or say anything it takes to win.

Good luck to everyone else and enjoy the rest of your round.

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Damaris
Player Re: 57/52 vs 49/56Lol, people, me damaris, leader or the remaining bunch

my plan was:

1)pay the planets , but not the ones of cs (aa deleted)
2) get decent attackers
3)have a nice war

so i asked your fam to wait taking planets, cuz i'd give other ones, i wanna see wich systems you guys take if we war later wich is logican, and i wanted to sort cs planets myself since i getting replacers

i have msg your fam about this, whil you had a few planets taken, i came home back from bar, to see the attacks just continues

i said, wait a while, youll get your planets anyhow
your fam said, [ ]you, we don't want a war, we want easy planets


i don't care what happend before torq, i wanted to save my fam, and get a new lineup and move on, but your fam only cared about cs planets

i was giving other ones, so you won't be ALL over our core if we war later, you guys want it easy$
and if you play it like this, youll get it easy

but don't think ill give up

Last edited by [PW9]~KT~ (19-Feb-2010 02:43:26)

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'Success! The realm of Genesis has been reduced to dust! Our forces are leaving the planet though, as it is scheduled for demolition to make way for a new hyperspace bypass.'

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ive kept quiet now as im still learning diplo haha but from my point of view this is kinda lame

49 claims core breaches but can not tell us where??? strange hmm

49 and 52/57 agreed NAP and cancellation date of 15th. is is posted in both alliances forums.

49/56 cancelled on 52/57 for no reason. they have been saving since our last war with 54 so obvously have the savings.

summary; lame move indeed by 49 n allies.

but we have been superior in attacking to any other fam this round and we are used to dirty tricks.

long live 52/57!

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95 (edited by Royal Whitebeard 08-Mar-2010 10:26:25)

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Noir you just talk crap.

First 56/49 didn't want to fight when we cancelled because your attackers couldn't be online. So we proposed another date when most attackers of all 4 families can be online and that was 15th on March. All four families agreed. The 48hr nap is totally irrelevant since we agreed there will be war on 15th, that means peace until 15th. Just a few days ago we came out of a war with 54 which broke nap. We had 2 days saved for the war against 54 alliance and we used all savings for units and infra. after the war we jumped infra again.

So yes, now the time of war for us is bad like it was for your alliance earlier.

So just because your alliance agreed to war on march 15th we wared 54 and jumped more infra, for sure we wouldnt have done that, if we would have known you guys would cancel on march 10th.

since 56/49 isnt really fighting at all for weeks, their savings are about 10-20 times? higher than our savings and here is your reason why you dont want to wait until march 15th.

Now you are 10000% sure that you will win this war and this is the only reason you go to war at all.... On march 15th you wouldnt be so sure anymore to win....


Everybody can see how back-stabbing noir is and that we were very fair to them. When they couldn't war because their attackers couldnt be online, we have choosen together with them a date when it suits most attackers. And now after our our fleet and infra jumps he knows we are not ready, he doesnt show the same fairness towards us. Well false-faced how he is he announced his cancellation of the nap 2 days in advance to get some credits from the IC community.

Noir you just break an agreement we made. there is not only a 48hr nap, there is also an agreement that we will war at 15th of march. And dont come up with loopholes, our agreement was meant to war at 15th of march and not before. There is no other interpretation of what we agreed upon.

So basically what you do is a NAP breake. End of story.

Cheat Sheet = Grindelwald = Whitebeard = Lunarstar = Natale = Valkiria

96 (edited by Noir 08-Mar-2010 10:28:30)

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In short reply to all your endless posts.

Torqez abused loophole to destroy our allies, we are playing by his example now.

Dont come off like a moron whitebeard you know our savings are nothing more than 1,5x your savings, there is such a thing as decay and investment in IC ok... If you add 56 and 52 into it, you guys prolly have more than us.

Next time make your agreements watertight, or dont go loopholing on other families, cause what goes around comes around to bite you in the ass. Now silence til war starts.

You guys will have about 5-6 days of savings for this war which is just as much as we and you wouldve saved anways

LORD HELP OREGON

97 (edited by Royal Whitebeard 08-Mar-2010 10:39:34)

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Noir, you are just a bad looser wink

and noir, you talk like a noob...
1. since when cash is decaying when you store it at the market???
2. the maximum savings in resources a familiy can have is 200 times the total resources production per tick. So without decay it would last at least 8.5 days to make this. With decay even longer. so with so much more cash you guys have, you can as well buy much more resources.
3. Yes I know, the truth I am throwing into your face hurts , thats why you are insulting me now.
4. I am not in 57 I am in 52, do you even know which families you will fight at 10th of march???

fact is, we will have max. 4 days to save since you informed us 4 days before war start so we make just 50% of our max savings. thats still 2 times more resources for your alliance wink. just be correct and dont talk even more crap wink

and now nothing more has to be said big_smile

Cheat Sheet = Grindelwald = Whitebeard = Lunarstar = Natale = Valkiria

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Congrats on ignoring all i just said.

SInce 54 deleted you guys have saved, 1 days after our cancellation you had 1,2 bill cash 80 mill iron and 20 mill endu. You allready had savigngs wink. Also 52 makes a huge amount more than 56.

Now the 200 number you are talking about is just BS, because that 200 number is WITH decay, or rather, because of decay. However, since you can invest in building and science that has a faster repayment than 200 ticks, you wouldnt want to save that long. Knowing your infra and science pretty well i would say you shouldnt save more than 6 days, which is just the amount of savings you have.

Dont challenge me on math or infra, you will fail. And frankly i dont care about your denial of these numbers, because i know im right, and so does the skilled people in your family aswell (torqez venom pitbul)

LORD HELP OREGON

99 (edited by [PW9]~KT~ 08-Mar-2010 15:33:43)

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Noir: "Next time make your agreements watertight"

Random hobo: "Next time put up a sign that says i cant do it"

American to mcdonalds: "Tell me the [ ] coffee is hot"


My point is, Noir, you are not stupid, and we dont expect you to be stupid and cheap, even you and noobs in this game clearly see that the war is supose to be the 15th.
You practicaly admit it, dont ya?


Anyway, IC should not be about loopholes, but i guess we need to mark our coffee cups even better next time.

Looking forward to war you noir, I expect major whining if you jump to high tongue

Killbox ~ [url=http://gamma.astroempires.com/profile.aspx?player=23753][

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how did torqez use loophole to destroy your allies???

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?