Topic: Post-modernism in Europe
What's attitude and prevalence of post-modern thought in Europe?
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What's attitude and prevalence of post-modern thought in Europe?
Define "Europe".
EU? western europe? w.e. + the eastern block, russia?
Well,post-modernism has certainly become under assault by conservatives and reactionaries after 9/11.
> esa wrote:
> Well,post-modernism has certainly become under assault by conservatives and reactionaries after 9/11.
Yeah, I noticed Christians and Conservatives tend to hate them. However, so do Analytic thinkers, who dominate in US and UK. In the US, Post modernists are usually in the English departments and can be found in media, writing and political careers. However, I wasn't sure if they were more prevalent in Europe, because it seems like they are. I'm glad they are being challenged now though, because they really are full of it.
Hehe, I love how Noam Chomsky, even though he is a liberal, says that Post-modernism is meaningless.
*agrees with Justinian*
You only imagine Chomsky says that because it affirms a larger patriarchy of self.
Actually that should read "understand" instead of imagine. One subjectively understands the text. And the text gets an active verb because the text does things; it affirms or recapitulates or asserts. And the direct object of the text's action is a hierarchy of some sort. One must always orient one's understanding of a text's action to some social system And the hierarchy should be described obliquely so that the audience can more easily impose its own understanding in agreement
Thus "you understood chomsky to say that because he affirms a larger patriarchy of self". What does that mean? Its truth cannot be challenged without refuting the patriarchy of self and thats impossible because you the messenger dont know what it is. It could be Chomsky has been affirming a patriarchy of self all his life on purpose,or in fact he might do it unwillingly. So asking him does no good at all.
Wrong: "The dog bit the man"
Right: "A dog was seen to revolt against the tyranny of sentience."
You just made me hate politics. Thanks. Now I'm going to go listen to music and play Imperial Conflict! Congratulations, you've destroyed my life...
Damn! I was hoping that this thread would be centered around postmodernism in the field of architecture in Europe. ![]()
get wfs over here and post some pix
I dislike postmodernist architecture.
Can't say I like it that much either, but it's better than Modernism, at least.
Someone wanna explain post modernism to me?
I only know it in sociological terms =/
Post modernism is how people started to think about stuff differently than however it was that people tended to think about stuff before the advent of post-modernism.
ROFL..... @ Xeno of all the gobligook you spew....you finally made sence...err sensical sence....hmmm. Yea.
@ Yell.
Agreed totally. Chomsky ever the ass, just attempts to insert himself where ever. He does this just fine. Being the ass he is, he just inserted himself into himself.
Noam Chomsky has proven himself to be extremely unimportant, and constantly wrong.....yet, he sure does enjoy his tenure in Academia, in a democratic Capitalist state that he just constantly rails against.
Yet, Chomsky states about Post-Modernism, "In contrast, no one seems to be able to explain to me why the latest post-this-and-that is (for the most part) other than truism, error, or gibberish, and I do not know how to proceed."
He of a lot of wind, both up and down stream does not know how to proceed ?
How about into obscurity.
"Address OPEC and prove there is a 'free' market, else be ignored."
ROFL.....". . . else be ignored." Ignored ?? You pompous SOB. Do as you wish. THAT is free market !!! Ignored.
Easy. You dont have to purchase OPEC oil....you can purchase Brent North sea, Venezuelan, Mexican, Canadian, ect.
OPEC sets pumping benchmarks that they rarely follow. This effects price, it doesnt set it.
Futures markets sets it.
Futures are needed to fix price for delivery, so business can adjust supply accordingly.
Ignored...... ROFL.
WTF does this have to do w/the thread ?
OPEC sets production
However, post-modernism in Europe specifically is an oxymoron, of course. They're finally catching up intellectually to how people in their x-colonies had been thinking before Europeans 'discovered' and 'educated' them. Now, having had their 'post-modernist' ideas expunged from their social consciousness thanks to the European colonialism, the developing x-colonized countries have decided to chug ahead with the modernist ideas they were taught by the Europeans. Thus, European intellectuals seem superior yet once again with all of the 'post-modernist' ideas they have now 'discovered', although in truth these ideas were really just raped from the colonies and exported back to Europe. And yet even more ironic is that now the Europeans are returning to the x-colonies with their typical European sense of cultural and educational (albeit now 'post-modern') superiority, trying to teach the locals on the value of their own traditions and unique 'indigenous' methods, methods that the Europeans beat out of them the last time they were around. Oh, the 'superiority' European post-modernism. How beautifully absurd it is.
Xeno,
lol. Yes the irony huh?
BW/Yell,
Actually, What Chomsky says is part of his expertise as a linguist, and many Analytic thinkers (the dominant view among scientists and philosophers in the UK and the US) hold this same view. They think some statements are meaningless, and believe that what post-modernists say is meaningless. Secondly, Analytics believe in logic, and clarity and precision in expressing their ideas. They also accuse post-modernist and continental thinkers as being pretentious and deliberately obscure.
Lets look at this statement made by a post-modernist: "Truth is a terrorist."
An Analytic would say that that statement is meaningless. How can truth be a terrorist? A speaker of truth can be a terrorist, but truth itself can not be. Furthermore, when post-modernists say that there is no truth, they call it a logical self-contradiction. They ask the question "is this true?" If it is, then at least something is true. If they say "no" then they're speaking hogwash. As you can tell, Analytics love to make fun of post-modern and continental thinkers. This is the intellectual view Chomsky is taking, even if he's a crazy liberal in other areas.
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